JCW VIP 23mm rear sway bar install/review
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VIP 23mm rear sway bar install/review
Although my JCW hatch with JCW Pro coilovers handeled well I still felt the back end lifting & unloading during hard cornering.
So i chose the VIP 23mm rear sway bar since it is the largest diameter out there.
The install is very time consuming . ~3 hrs. labor as u need to drop the entire rear sub frame to access the sway bar mounting points/bushings.
It also will require a rear alignment as well so this upgrade is a very expensive ordeal. $200.00 for VIP rear sway, $300.00 labor & $125.00 rear alignment on a Hunter machine.
But in the end the car is transformed. Night & day difference. I actually like driving it now compared to my Porsches. I fell the handling benifits out weigh the cost.
So i chose the VIP 23mm rear sway bar since it is the largest diameter out there.
The install is very time consuming . ~3 hrs. labor as u need to drop the entire rear sub frame to access the sway bar mounting points/bushings.
It also will require a rear alignment as well so this upgrade is a very expensive ordeal. $200.00 for VIP rear sway, $300.00 labor & $125.00 rear alignment on a Hunter machine.
But in the end the car is transformed. Night & day difference. I actually like driving it now compared to my Porsches. I fell the handling benifits out weigh the cost.
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a rear sway bar is a very nice almost absolutely necessary mod.
Just wanted to correct one thing though about the VIP 23mm bar being the thickest. NM-Eng has a 25mm bar
$300 labor?! ouch. also you don't need to completely drop the rear subframe, just lower it a little bit. i was able to do the install on jack stands in less than two hours. no need for an alignment afterwards either (unless of course the rear subframe is completely taken off which I'm guessing whoever you went to did)
Just wanted to correct one thing though about the VIP 23mm bar being the thickest. NM-Eng has a 25mm bar
$300 labor?! ouch. also you don't need to completely drop the rear subframe, just lower it a little bit. i was able to do the install on jack stands in less than two hours. no need for an alignment afterwards either (unless of course the rear subframe is completely taken off which I'm guessing whoever you went to did)
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Swaybars, mufflers, headers, tunes, tires, shocks, it all comes down to the hands on the steering wheel. Had a recent tour of the mountains here in NC, no not Deals Gap, but still some very good twisties. Our group had just about every type of MINI there was, stock and modded. A R50 with a good driver, turned out to be a pro driver, kept up with cars that had twice the HP.
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The 25 NM works together with their Linkage kit very well. Also their bearings are fine Love the nippels - very noisy during set.
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I believe the NM 25mm bar is hollow, and possibly the VIP 23mm bar is solid. If so the 23mm bar is quite a bit stiffer than a hollow 25mm bar. I had a 19mm solid bar on my 2007 MCS and it improved the understeer quite a bit. Mine cost $200 plus $100 in install by Way Motorworks in 2008. No links or alignment needed.
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a rear sway bar is a very nice almost absolutely necessary mod.
Just wanted to correct one thing though about the VIP 23mm bar being the thickest. NM-Eng has a 25mm bar
$300 labor?! ouch. also you don't need to completely drop the rear subframe, just lower it a little bit. i was able to do the install on jack stands in less than two hours. no need for an alignment afterwards either (unless of course the rear subframe is completely taken off which I'm guessing whoever you went to did)
Just wanted to correct one thing though about the VIP 23mm bar being the thickest. NM-Eng has a 25mm bar
$300 labor?! ouch. also you don't need to completely drop the rear subframe, just lower it a little bit. i was able to do the install on jack stands in less than two hours. no need for an alignment afterwards either (unless of course the rear subframe is completely taken off which I'm guessing whoever you went to did)
Had a long discussion over coffee, about this, with a person that owns a suspension company, years ago regarding tube sway bars.
Also the need to match sway bars, by using front and rear.
Except for the MINI, since no one buys front bars, due to difficulty of installation.
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Apples to oranges, NM has a 25mm tubular. The tube is for weight loss. Doesn't make it stiffer.
Had a long discussion over coffee, about this, with a person that owns a suspension company, years ago regarding tube sway bars.
Also the need to match sway bars, by using front and rear.
Except for the MINI, since no one buys front bars, due to difficulty of installation.
Had a long discussion over coffee, about this, with a person that owns a suspension company, years ago regarding tube sway bars.
Also the need to match sway bars, by using front and rear.
Except for the MINI, since no one buys front bars, due to difficulty of installation.
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Understeer is loss of grip on the front,.
A single rear bar will not minimize understeer, it will cause oversteer.
On a MINI, the outside front will hit the bump stop, then you lose traction from the outside wheel. So a slightly bigger bar in the front can actually minimize understeer. Along with an increase to the rear.
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