JCW Vogtland Sport Lowering Springs
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Vogtland Sport Lowering Springs
Has anyone heard of, or better yet, had experience with, these springs?
http://vogtland-na.com/en/sport_springs.php
I've grown impatient waiting for NM to get their "new batch" of alpha springs in stock...
http://vogtland-na.com/en/sport_springs.php
I've grown impatient waiting for NM to get their "new batch" of alpha springs in stock...
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http://www.swiftsprings.com/products...ct/spec-r.html
I know there was a group buy for R53,
Anyone looking at swifts on the F56 ?
I'm tied into the VDC setup, but quite like the idea of dropping 3/4" if I can stay within damper range
I know there was a group buy for R53,
Anyone looking at swifts on the F56 ?
I'm tied into the VDC setup, but quite like the idea of dropping 3/4" if I can stay within damper range
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Rye,
Can you please be more specific? What "level" are you referring to, and why? I have read nothing but positive reviews about these springs, albeit not on a MINI application. Why do you not consider these springs "good ones"? Thanks in advance for your thoughtful feedback.
Can you please be more specific? What "level" are you referring to, and why? I have read nothing but positive reviews about these springs, albeit not on a MINI application. Why do you not consider these springs "good ones"? Thanks in advance for your thoughtful feedback.
There are good quality springs you find on race cars and top-level builds, like Eibach ERS, Hyperco, and Swift.
A level down from there are reasonable quality like H&R, Hotchkis, and KW. You'll also find some private label brands like Neuspeed [NM] that will contract any of the above companies.
After that, they're junk. There's no easier way to put it.
At this point, the best affordable solution is to go with the JCW Pro or KW V1 coilovers, They let you lower the ride height but retain good suspension travel. Lowering springs eliminate most of the compression travel, ensuring poor ride quality and upsetting the car in mid-corner bumps. They're a cheap solution for achieving a stance but not for improving overall handling dynamics.
A level down from there are reasonable quality like H&R, Hotchkis, and KW. You'll also find some private label brands like Neuspeed [NM] that will contract any of the above companies.
After that, they're junk. There's no easier way to put it.
At this point, the best affordable solution is to go with the JCW Pro or KW V1 coilovers, They let you lower the ride height but retain good suspension travel. Lowering springs eliminate most of the compression travel, ensuring poor ride quality and upsetting the car in mid-corner bumps. They're a cheap solution for achieving a stance but not for improving overall handling dynamics.
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Although I personally don't find the Mini's stance to be too high I understand that some people like to lower it. But I also understand that if you just essentially cut the springs shorter you'll probably bump around afterward. Especially some cars that I see that look pretty ghetto. There's a reason the JCW factory suspension only lowers the car about 1/2".
There are three factory suspensions for the F56, for 2016+ only the JCW can have the Sport:
*Standard = thin swaybars, soft springs, soft dampers
*Sport = thicker swaybars, medium springs, medium dampers
*DDC = thin swaybars, soft springs, adjustable dampers.
They ALL have the same ride height. None of them sit any lower.
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There is nothing wrong with Vogtland Springs. They have been in business since the early 1900's. As I guy that comes from a huge VW/Audi background, I can tell you first hand they are very popular with those brands. They are just not as popular in NA as they are in Europe. They are easily on the same level as H&R KW or Eibach, the company just doesn't inflate the price. So not sure where Ryephile is getting his info from. 
Plenty of opinions on some of the major VW/Audi Forums. So do a search and you'll see for yourself.
Plenty of opinions on some of the major VW/Audi Forums. So do a search and you'll see for yourself.
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False. Where do you get all this misinformation?
There are three factory suspensions for the F56, for 2016+ only the JCW can have the Sport:
*Standard = thin swaybars, soft springs, soft dampers
*Sport = thicker swaybars, medium springs, medium dampers
*DDC = thin swaybars, soft springs, adjustable dampers.
They ALL have the same ride height. None of them sit any lower.
There are three factory suspensions for the F56, for 2016+ only the JCW can have the Sport:
*Standard = thin swaybars, soft springs, soft dampers
*Sport = thicker swaybars, medium springs, medium dampers
*DDC = thin swaybars, soft springs, adjustable dampers.
They ALL have the same ride height. None of them sit any lower.
Last edited by TheBigNewt; Feb 9, 2016 at 08:16 AM.
Originally Posted by NYXF56JCW
There is nothing wrong with Vogtland Springs. They have been in business since the early 1900's. As I guy that comes from a huge VW/Audi background, I can tell you first hand they are very popular with those brands. They are just not as popular in NA as they are in Europe. They are easily on the same level as H&R KW or Eibach, the company just doesn't inflate the price. So not sure where Ryephile is getting his info from.
Plenty of opinions on some of the major VW/Audi Forums. So do a search and you'll see for yourself.
Plenty of opinions on some of the major VW/Audi Forums. So do a search and you'll see for yourself.
FYI there is an aftermarket Mini supplied JCW suspension that can be dealer installed with different coilovers and sway bars. It costs around $1300 plus installation. It does lower the car about 1/2" and some JCW owners have added it. It's often referred to as the "factory JCW suspension" because it comes from Mini and doesn't void your warranty.
I have an exhaustive thread on the JCW Pro coilovers [that's their correct name], and disclose the full monty on them. They're not factory, they're built by KW and are offered through the MINI Dealerships. Their list price is $1,831.
Originally Posted by TheBigNewt
The Sport suspension is basically sway bars. I know, the spring and damper part numbers are different but those who install aftermarket suspensions claim the dampers are the same as stock. Which makes sense because the SS is only $500.
MINI now has a 3-generation long precedent for having varying sway bar sizes available from the factory. I'm sorry you don't want to do the homework on learning that, and you're not helping those that are trying to learn.
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I've been involved in the VAG community for over a decade. If you run low-rent stuff like Raceland and Vogtland you'll be laugh off Vortex. I'm just struggling to understand why someone would intentionally run "meh" parts on a brand new halo car like the JCW. If the OP has already made up their mind but just wanted a warm fuzzy, then I'm sorry I can't give that.
Some of your first sentence was correct, up until you lied about it including sway bars.
I have an exhaustive thread on the JCW Pro coilovers [that's their correct name], and disclose the full monty on them. They're not factory, they're built by KW and are offered through the MINI Dealerships. Their list price is $1,831.
Why are you discounting the facts? Different part numbers actually means they're different. Using citation-less claims that "those who install" is hardly valid proof of anything. If you were using any of the evidence on this forum, you'd already know that I actually own the JCW Pro coilovers, installed them, documented the process, and proved how much lower-than-stock they're designed to ride at. ...and the SS is not $500 anymore, it's standard on the JCW and unavailable on the rest.
MINI now has a 3-generation long precedent for having varying sway bar sizes available from the factory. I'm sorry you don't want to do the homework on learning that, and you're not helping those that are trying to learn.
Some of your first sentence was correct, up until you lied about it including sway bars.
I have an exhaustive thread on the JCW Pro coilovers [that's their correct name], and disclose the full monty on them. They're not factory, they're built by KW and are offered through the MINI Dealerships. Their list price is $1,831.
Why are you discounting the facts? Different part numbers actually means they're different. Using citation-less claims that "those who install" is hardly valid proof of anything. If you were using any of the evidence on this forum, you'd already know that I actually own the JCW Pro coilovers, installed them, documented the process, and proved how much lower-than-stock they're designed to ride at. ...and the SS is not $500 anymore, it's standard on the JCW and unavailable on the rest.
MINI now has a 3-generation long precedent for having varying sway bar sizes available from the factory. I'm sorry you don't want to do the homework on learning that, and you're not helping those that are trying to learn.
Vogtland are good quality springs. They're manufactured in Germany and a lot of BMW guys run them. We sell them. From personal experience, I've never had an issue with the springs, but everyone's experience is different about every product.
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Vogtland are good quality springs. They're manufactured in Germany and a lot of BMW guys run them. We sell them HERE. From personal experience, I've never had an issue with the springs, but everyone's experience is different about every product.
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I've been involved in the VAG community for over a decade. If you run low-rent stuff like Raceland and Vogtland you'll be laugh off Vortex. I'm just struggling to understand why someone would intentionally run "meh" parts on a brand new halo car like the JCW. If the OP has already made up their mind but just wanted a warm fuzzy, then I'm sorry I can't give that.
Not true in the slightest. Here's a question...have you actually ever used them?
I don't think we have them up in the catalog yet for the F56 platform, but on their site they have an application guide and I don't see the F56 listed yet. I'm sure you can contact them for that info though.
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Yes, otherwise I wouldn't be commenting on them. They rusted over the course of 1 winter and then one of the coils snapped from corrosion damage.
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I do live in Michigan, so proverbially, yes. Winters are rough on cars. It's why I take mine to the coin-op wash regularly in winter, to wash off that nasty salt. It makes a big difference. I also go through a LOT of anti-seize.
Anyway, to Devil's Advocate myself, in Vogtland's defense I haven't used them lately. It's entirely possible their quality has improved.
Anyway, to Devil's Advocate myself, in Vogtland's defense I haven't used them lately. It's entirely possible their quality has improved.
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