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If you want one, you better call your MA and get your name on a list.
They are going to be gone like hot cakes.
Almost for sure, comming to a dealer near you @ around 30K
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I always said I'll keep my 03 MCS forever, but I better change it for this MINI, plus it have the advantages of the 05-06 over the 02-04. I'm authorize to change it and tomorrow morning I'm going to the dealer.

BTW, how many of these are going to be build?

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BTW, how many of these are going to be build?

Happy motoring folks
Current word is at 2000 units worldwide.
Nothing offical you understand.
 
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http://www.mini2.com/index.php?page=newsitem&newsid=323
Official figures released this morning reveal a power output of 160 kw (218 metric HP / 214.5 international HP) and weight reduction of approximately 40 kg (88 lbs)
I was expecting a little more.
Oh well, we will see.
 
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Originally Posted by MOTORN
http://www.mini2.com/index.php?page=newsitem&newsid=323
Official figures released this morning reveal a power output of 160 kw (218 metric HP / 214.5 international HP) and weight reduction of approximately 40 kg (88 lbs)
I was expecting a little more.
Oh well, we will see.
Now that is a terrible shame. 88 pound drop? I can get 50pounds off alone by new wheels.

5 HP???? From Randy's site, you an get 8HP from an 2% lw crank pulley.

This is a big disappointment.
 
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Really low hanging fruit they went after:

- Rear Seat Delete including removal of the rear belts and tensioners
- stock exhaust replaced with the JCW exhaust
- s-lites

I'm not impressed with the 88 lbs in light of the above.
 
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I'm a bit confuse . Is it going to have JCW goodies or not? If not I better focuse myself to the original plan (add JCW to my current MINI and buy at end of year a different car, liking the solstice turbo now , and wait about 2 years and see how's the next MINI)

Editing my last post; After some thinking I'm keeping my S and the CSL could be the extra MINI at home.
 
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Ill say it.....what most are thinking............This is pathetic! If -88lbs and 4hp over JCW is all you get for 5-7k that is pathetic! Anyone who gets one should be deemed as a fool with to much money to spend!

just go order a base MCS + JCW with no other options, dump the heavy s-lites write $26k check and laugh at the CSL suckers
 
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This car will have AS STANDARD the JCW brakes, JCW suspension, JCW tuning kit (215hp), and 18" wheels
 
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This car will have AS STANDARD the JCW brakes, JCW suspension, JCW tuning kit (215hp), and 18" wheels
And that is pathetic. Whats "special" about that?

AND, how many people (outside of the UK) actually have and use 18" wheels?
 
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AND, how many people (outside of the UK) actually have and use 18" wheels?
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Originally Posted by chows4us
And that is pathetic. Whats "special" about that?

AND, how many people (outside of the UK) actually have and use 18" wheels?
Me.
215x35x18
225x35x18
 
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Yawn

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Model Code;
RE92 - MINI Cooper S with John Cooper Works GP Kit


Exclusive Features
Anthracite-Blue Metallic Paint (To be named)
Contrast Roof, Bonnet Scoop and Front Apron in Pure Silver
Contrast Mirror Caps in Chili Red
Individually numbered (There will be no customer choice of number, all numbers will be allocated centrally for all worldwide markets)
No rear seats
Unique 18’’ Light Alloy Wheels

Standard Equipment
Additional Remote Key
Brilliant Silver Interior Trim
Darkened Rear Glass
Dynamic Stability Control (DSC)
Floor Mats in Velour
Front Passenger Airbag Deactivation
Height Adjustment for Passenger Seat
John Cooper Works Kit (approx. 218hp/160Kw)
John Cooper Works Sports Brakes with calipers painted red at front
John Cooper Works Sports Suspension
Interior Lights Package
Manual Air Conditioning
Multifunction for Steering Wheel including Cruise Control
On Board Computer
Radio Boost
Recaro Sports Seats
Single CD Player
Seat Heating for Driver and Front Passenger
Sports Leather Steering Wheel
White Direction Indicator Lights

Technical Data
At present we have no information as to how the increased performance and reduced weight will affect 0-62 times, top speed, fuel consumption or CO2 emissions.
 
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Individually numbered (There will be no customer choice of number, all numbers will be allocated centrally for all worldwide markets)
You mean I can't get my MMC number?

Yawn indeed.
 
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Originally Posted by maxmini

Floor Mats in Velour

Recaro Sports Seats
There you go. Velour But those Recaros probably cost a few pennies.
 
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those Recaros probably cost a few pennies.
And probably won't make it to the U.S.
 
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They should delete the radio and A/C units but keep the car pre-wired so they can be fitted at the dealer.
 
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What a let down..........Ill say it again............If this is all you get, and you plunk down your 32K ..... you are a fool
 
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Originally Posted by planeguy
What a let down..........Ill say it again............If this is all you get, and you plunk down your 32K ..... you are a fool
Of course, you are welcome to your opinion. and if you go to MINI USA
website and price out a similar JC Works regular Cooper S the price exceeds
$34,000. It just depends on how you look at it and what you want. :smile:
Even though we don't know the whole story yet, it looks like at $32,000 it
might be a good deal. Not only do you get all the stuff on the $34,000 car
(minus rear seats) but you also get a limited edition numbered car with special stuff for less money.
 
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Originally Posted by MOTORN
Of course, you are welcome to your opinion. and if you go to MINI USA
website and price out a similar JC Works regular Cooper S the price exceeds
$34,000. It just depends on how you look at it and what you want. :smile:
Even though we don't know the whole story yet, it looks like at $32,000 it
might be a good deal. Not only do you get all the stuff on the $34,000 car
(minus rear seats) but you also get a limited edition numbered car with special stuff for less money.

This is a good argument but you are basing it all on the JCW items being worth what they are being charged for. There are pages of debate on that topic alone. Some may say this would be like building a house on a foundation of sand.

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Ryephile claims to have dumped nearly 200lbs out of the rear of his Mini



http://michiganmini.com/modules.php?...r=asc&start=45
 
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AND, how many people (outside of the UK) actually have and use 18" wheels?
Originally Posted by DiD
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Hopefully not many!
 
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Originally Posted by DiD
Really low hanging fruit they went after:

- Rear Seat Delete including removal of the rear belts and tensioners
- stock exhaust replaced with the JCW exhaust
- s-lites

I'm not impressed with the 88 lbs in light of the above.
Well strike the S-lites off the list. The official weight of the MCS is based on a stock car with the 16" wheels. With S-lites I believe you're adding like 20lbs total.

So MINI has dropped 88 pounds from a car that has six airbags and lots of creature comforts. It'll look different from every other MCS on the road, come in a special color, have special wheels, and will be the fastest factory MINI ever. And yet people complain because it's not 2300lbs.

In a way I don't blame them. But I think a car like this is a product of the age we live in. I don't think that we'll ever see huge weight reduction in a car sold to the public (especially in the US). I think some of the expectations people had were frankly unrealistic. Sure MINI2 helped fan the flames a bit (and maybe me too ) but let's take a step back and really look at what this car offers. It's really not a bad deal for someone wanting a JCW MINI and some exclusivity (assuming the price comes in around the low 30K mark).

Well anyway... can't wait to see it...
 
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Originally Posted by maxmini
Some may say this would be like building a house on a foundation of sand.

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Hmm, but you have a vested interest in them failing:smile:
 
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Do you get a credit for the rear seat delete? It's ingenius that we pay more for less stuff
 


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