obviously the S-turbo is the fun more powerful
my question is - the 3cyl cheaper for repairs and general maintenance? and is the 3- cyl a motor that will run forever?

 

There is no R60 3-cylinder engine.

Are you referring to the F60 model? There's a forum area dedicated for that newer model under the "MINI Countryman (2010+)" area.

 

i will look for it
I was talking in general not specifically the r60. was wondering how the 3cly was in the older models.not sure which model uses the 3 cly...maybe the base hardtop?
I was wondering in case I was interested in buying a used older cooper as a 2nd spring,summer,fall car
are the s-turbo motors in the r60 countryman used in other models like the R56?
was wondering if I also need to be concerned about the timing belt tensioner problem like I read the R56 had
I read people saying stay away from 2006-2011 s- turbo but wasn't sure if the newer ones were any better

 

The 3 cylinder BMW designed engine appeared in 2014 along with the 4 cylinder of similar design, a modular set up. It's in the 2dr HT, 4dr Ht, Clubman 2016 and newer and the Countryman F series. Also newer Convertible as well as several BMW's. Not sure if I left anything out.

Anyway I think it is a great little engine and fun to drive, at least in the 4dr that we have. Is it enough power for the larger Countryman with all4, don't know.

Older engines were 4 cylinder, Turbo vs Non Turbo or Supercharged vs. not.

 

most of the issue I've read about seem to be with the turbo motors,is that true?
are the 3cly and 4cly non turbo's cheaper for general maintenance and repairs? and are they more reliable?

 

I believe all Mini engines (3 and 4 cylinder) are turbocharged since 2014.

 

alrighty..guess its a crap shoot then as far as having issues..timing tensioner ,thermostat, hpfp,clutch and so on
are they any models/motors that have less issues than others? I was preferring a manual trans

 

I've heard people make comments to stay away from the S-turbo is there a diff between the S-turbo and a turbo in a Cooper model, a 2 dr hardtop, r56 or f56?
they both N18 motors 2011 and later?
think the f56 now has b38/b48 motor
and if they came out with a b38/b48 in 2014 anyone know why they stuck with the N18 s turbo in the CM?

 

Do you own a MINI?

 

yes, 2015 mini cm-s all4. 1st time owner ... didn't know much about them.....wife always wanted one. so we traded in her maz cx5@ 61000mi never had an issue..
I like the car a lot,..{except for all the issues I am reading about} so now I might be interested in getting a fun to drive front wheel drive, manual trans Mini as a 2nd car for spring,summer,fall..not an everyday car..so I am trying to find out more about them

 

Your CM is an R60 model, it has the turbo'd N18 engine. The newer CMs, the F60 models, have the B series engines. All the F models share the same engines across the lineup, so it's not going to be much different from the CM, Hardtop or any other models. Of course the engine style varies depending on model type, but all the F models run the B series engines.

I would recommend searching the forum for answers, I can bet almost any question you're asking has been answered somewhere on this board. There is an entire F series area, and even an F60 area under the Countryman board.

At the end of the day all cars will have their issues, I would pick the car you like most and make it work for you. Happy Motoring!

 

ok thank you for the info, very helpful. I will search for the f-series stuff too
been searching the forums by putting something in the "search} ,just crazy looking thru pages of stuff till you find what our looking for..its great that there is so much info on here but very tedious

 

looking at a-
2013 Mini Cooper 2dr hardtop M/T 1.6L 42,214mi for 12,999 WMWSU3C56DT375205
2014 Mini Cooper base M/T 3cyl 45,168mi for 12,995 WMWXM5C58ET972553
2015 Mini Cooper 2dr hardtop M/T 3cyl 19.266mi for13,700 WMWXM5C50F3A96503
want a manual trans cuz I think it be more fun to zip around in but is there reason to be concerned with clutch issues?

 

3RD Gen Mini's multiple recalls according to consumer report WTH...very disappointed
might start looking for a Miata....

 

Jeez ...the last 3 cyl I had was a 850cc 1964 Saab. I didn't realize till now they still make them

 

Mazda never has had any recalls?

21 Months After Learning Of Problem, Mazda Recalls 58,000 Vehicles

Every car company has recalls, I'd be more worried if they didn't.

 

Don't get me wrong I like our CM. It made me interested in getting a smaller Mini or fwd CM as a 2nd car for the summer, but the expense to maintain and multiple issues kinda has me cautious. Makes me wonder if there is a reason there are so many available with under 60,000 miles on them. that's all..maybe since it wouldn't be an everyday car it won't be so bad. Once we pay the CM off in a cpl months maybe i'll look for a 2013+

 

The 6 cylinder version of the engine is used in a number of BMW's. The engine was designed to be scaled up and down with 3, 4 and 6 cylinder variants, all turbo-charged. Because of this, I suspect there won't be huge differences in reliability among them.

 

Leases. Lots and lots of MINIs are sold via lease, and come back to the dealer in 3 or 4 years with 35,000 to 60,000mi. They're cleaned up and promptly put out for sale.

 

Yes. I bought mine off a lease and it’s a wonderful car. Zero issues. Couldn’t be happier.

 

Never liked odd fire engines (4 stroke engines) in cars!

 

I think it's important to keep one thing in mind here: Efficiency is the only thing on the mind of auto manufacturers today, with very few exceptions. Turbocharging everything under the sun, high compression, Direct Injection, less cylinders, etc. It's all so the manufacturer can keep up with emission and MPG mandates. None of these changes take reliability or longevity into account, nor do they make it a priority.

A 3 cylinder is lighter, more fuel efficient, it has less parasitic power loss due to both reduced weight and friction, and it's smaller, which should make it cost less to manufacture and gives more form factor options. As I said above, none of this really benefits you other than the increased MPG that you'll initially experience.

Ok, so now you're 1 cylinder down. If you intend to make comparable power to the 4 cylinder iteration, what do you do? Aside from the improvements in drag, you need to add more boost from the already strained turbo, likely bump up compression, and get more aggressive with timing. Turbo DI engines already operate on a fine line between ideal power/efficiency and engine damage, now make that line even finer by stuffing in more boost pressure, a 11:1 + compression ratio and aggressive tuning. I'll pass on that.

My point is, 'innovation' benefits the creator most in this case. Just my $.02.

 

tried using the search field to find info on 2006 hardtops and a bunch of different threads come up but not specific to what i'm looking for
anyway, looking for thoughts or any input on-
2006 Hardtop Base M/T with almost 69000 miles on it..its not advertised as an S so I believe its a non turbo
I do remember reading in past posts that 2006 was suppose to be a pretty god one
I would have it inspected if I persue it but would like any advise I get get before I even inquire
guessing some main concerns would be rust ,suspension, clutch

 

If it is an S, it is supercharged! if it has a six speed manual, it would be an S, but a non supercharged one with a 6 speed would have be modded, as it came with a 5 speed manual.

 

ok thank you..it is a 5 speed..in an article I read titled 7 most common Mini Cooper Problems..when talking about transmissions they mention the 5-speed M/T from 1st generation Mini's was a terrible design and had a high failure rate