2007 Formula 1 Discussion Thread
The race will be rebroadcast by SPEED on June 13, 12pm Eastern time, so check your listings and record it. They'll have the pre and post race coverage.
Ok, now that race gets my vote for bizarro race of the season. Huge props to Hamilton! Way to go kid!
Alonso probably had the worst, non DNF race he'll have all season. Hope he's got it all out of his system now.
Massa and Fisi? They admit they brain-farted, and feel bad for their teams.
Kubica. Scared the heck out of us when we saw that one. Very happy he got off so lightly with a concussion and a sprained ankle. I should think he'll be back before the end of the season.
Anyone else make note of the number of accidents that Trulli seemed to have a hand in?
Ok, now that race gets my vote for bizarro race of the season. Huge props to Hamilton! Way to go kid!
Alonso probably had the worst, non DNF race he'll have all season. Hope he's got it all out of his system now.
Massa and Fisi? They admit they brain-farted, and feel bad for their teams.
Kubica. Scared the heck out of us when we saw that one. Very happy he got off so lightly with a concussion and a sprained ankle. I should think he'll be back before the end of the season.
Anyone else make note of the number of accidents that Trulli seemed to have a hand in?
Looking forward to hearing Kubica's take on the incident . . . if he has any memory. Trulli has stated that he did not move off line and that the last he saw of Kubica was in his left mirror.
My guess is that Kubica was attempting to set himself up for the approach to the hairpin as the racing line gradually moves from the right side of the circuit (outside of the sweeping exit from the prior chicane) to the left side just about the point they made contact. With that in mind, it would've made sense for Kubica to try and get beside the Toyota as to have the inside line into the hairpin under braking.
I doubt very seriously that Trulli, who was at the point one would normally sweep to the left could've made an abrupt move to the right. In fact, he probably did not sweep left as quickly as Kubica expected thus resulting in an unfortunate miscalculation. Either Kubica timed the move a bit too soon or Trulli did not follow the presumed line or both.
I also wonder whether Kubica may have first touched the grass sending him into the back of the Toyota . . . but it basically appeared that there was not enough room.
What other accidents were you thinking of?
Aside from Kubica, there was the synchonized spin. He didn't cause it, but he was a part of it.
There was something else too, but I'll have to watch the rerun to remember what it was.
It was like Trulli was just the jinx carrier, and not the car to be near.
There was something else too, but I'll have to watch the rerun to remember what it was.
It was like Trulli was just the jinx carrier, and not the car to be near.
Oh, Canada! What a strange race that was.
Hamilton is quite something. He is leading the championship for a simple reason: He hasn't made a meaningful mistake in a race this year. He just goes out and drives a fast car quickly and collects points. That's pretty much what the world expected of Kimi at Ferrari, not the rookie at McLaren.
Meanwhile, Scott Speed's race ended early thanks to an ill-advised overtaking maneuver. It looked to like the frustration of mid-pack racing got to him. He probably was being held up by Wurz and decided he had to pass. Unfortunately there wasn't a place to do so. It's a shame because he very well could have lucked into his first points!
Hamilton is quite something. He is leading the championship for a simple reason: He hasn't made a meaningful mistake in a race this year. He just goes out and drives a fast car quickly and collects points. That's pretty much what the world expected of Kimi at Ferrari, not the rookie at McLaren.
Meanwhile, Scott Speed's race ended early thanks to an ill-advised overtaking maneuver. It looked to like the frustration of mid-pack racing got to him. He probably was being held up by Wurz and decided he had to pass. Unfortunately there wasn't a place to do so. It's a shame because he very well could have lucked into his first points!
. . . Just landed in Indy! Can not wait!
Too bad about the re-broadcast . . . that does not bode well for the next three races, when it comes to anticipatory build up prior the lights.
Those needing a pre-GP fix can go to www.racing-underground.com to download bit torrents of other broadcasts from around the world . . . I especially enjoy Martin Brundle's grid coverage.
I did find out that although the world feed is 16x9 in some countries, it is not yet HD . . . I was incorrect. What I've been noticing on the ITV telecasts is the glory of PAL.
Too bad about the re-broadcast . . . that does not bode well for the next three races, when it comes to anticipatory build up prior the lights.
Those needing a pre-GP fix can go to www.racing-underground.com to download bit torrents of other broadcasts from around the world . . . I especially enjoy Martin Brundle's grid coverage.
I did find out that although the world feed is 16x9 in some countries, it is not yet HD . . . I was incorrect. What I've been noticing on the ITV telecasts is the glory of PAL.
Jim
Speed TV has great coverage of the US GP this weekend. All practices and qualifying are live. Friday morning practice is going on right now. And I'd guess most of you know about the live timing available at http://www.formula1.com
But once again we'll have to suffer with the major network hijacking the actual race.
But once again we'll have to suffer with the major network hijacking the actual race.
Is anyone having success with the SPeedTV.Com onboard pass with a Mac? I've tried 3 different browsers with no luck. If it's working for you and you are on a Mac, can you let me know how you are doing it?
Thanks!
Thanks!
Alonso sets pace in Indianapolis
Alonso was the only driver to dip under 1:12.00
Double world champion Fernando Alonso stated his intent as he set the fastest time in first practice for Sunday's United States Grand Prix.
Alonso, who is eight points behind team-mate Lewis Hamilton in the title race, clocked one minute, 11.925 seconds at the Indianapolis Speedway.
Hamilton brushed the walls on his first-ever drive round the track but was third fastest behind Nick Heidfeld.
Sebastian Vettel was an impressive fourth in the second BMW Sauber.
Vettel, the youngest driver out on the track at 19, will make his Formula One bow on Sunday in place of the injured Robert Kubica.
The Ferraris had warned they intended to fight back at Indianapolis and Kimi Raikkonen was fifth fastest with Felipe Massa seventh.
The second practice session will take place in sizzling conditions later on Friday.
First practice times:
1. Fernando Alonso (Spain) McLaren 1min 11.925
2. Nick Heidfeld (Germany) BMW Sauber 1:12.391
3. Lewis Hamilton (Britain) McLaren 1:12.628
4. Sebastian Vettel (Germany) BMW Sauber 1:12.869
5. Kimi Raikkonen (Finland) Ferrari 1:12.966
6. Nico Rosberg (Germany) Williams-Toyota 1:13.020
7. Felipe Massa (Brazil) Ferrari 1:13.040
8. David Coulthard (Britain) RedBull-Renault 1:13.159
9. Jenson Button (Britain) Honda 1:13.597
10. Mark Webber (Australia) RedBull-Renault 1:13.682
11. Jarno Trulli (Italy) Toyota 1:13.777
12. Kazuki Nakajima (Japan) Williams-Toyota 1:13.786
13. Ralf Schumacher (Germany) Toyota 1:13.819
14. Vitantonio Liuzzi (Italy) Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:13.907
15. Scott Speed (U.S.) Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:13.990
16. Giancarlo Fisichella (Italy) Renault 1:14.000
17. Takuma Sato (Japan) Super Aguri-Honda 1:14.037
18. Rubens Barrichello (Brazil) Honda 1:14.052
19. Heikki Kovalainen (Finland) Renault 1:14.189
20. Anthony Davidson (Britain) Super Aguri-Honda 1:14.632
21. Christijan Albers (Netherlands) Spyker-Ferrari 1:14.636
22. Adrian Sutil (Germany) Spyker-Ferrari 1:14.810
Second practice times:
1. Fernando Alonso (Spain) McLaren 1:12.156
2. Lewis Hamilton (Britain) McLaren 1:12.309
3. Felipe Massa (Brazil) Ferrari 1:12.435
4. Kimi Raikkonen (Finland) Ferrari 1:12.587
5. Nick Heidfeld (Germany) BMW Sauber 1:13.026
6. David Coulthard (Britain) RedBull 1:13.042
7. Nico Rosberg (Germany) Williams 1:13.057
8. Heikki Kovalainen (Finland) Renault 1:13.110
9. Rubens Barrichello (Brazil) Honda 1:13.144
10. Jenson Button (Britain) Honda 1:13.202
11. Sebastian Vettel (Germany) BMW Sauber 1:13.217
12. Mark Webber (Australia) RedBull 1:13.263
13. Vitantonio Liuzzi (Italy) Toro Rosso 1:13.332
14. Anthony Davidson (Britain) Super Aguri 1:13.364
15. Giancarlo Fisichella (Italy) Renault 1:13.394
16. Alexander Wurz (Austria) Williams 1:13.539
17. Jarno Trulli (Italy) Toyota 1:13.692
18. Scott Speed (U.S.) Toro Rosso 1:13.712
19. Takuma Sato (Japan) Super Aguri 1:13.753
20. Ralf Schumacher (Germany) Toyota 1:13.765
21. Christijan Albers (Netherlands) Spyker 1:14.225
22. Adrian Sutil (Germany) Spyker 1:14.513
Alonso was the only driver to dip under 1:12.00
Double world champion Fernando Alonso stated his intent as he set the fastest time in first practice for Sunday's United States Grand Prix.
Alonso, who is eight points behind team-mate Lewis Hamilton in the title race, clocked one minute, 11.925 seconds at the Indianapolis Speedway.
Hamilton brushed the walls on his first-ever drive round the track but was third fastest behind Nick Heidfeld.
Sebastian Vettel was an impressive fourth in the second BMW Sauber.
Vettel, the youngest driver out on the track at 19, will make his Formula One bow on Sunday in place of the injured Robert Kubica.
The Ferraris had warned they intended to fight back at Indianapolis and Kimi Raikkonen was fifth fastest with Felipe Massa seventh.
The second practice session will take place in sizzling conditions later on Friday.
First practice times:
1. Fernando Alonso (Spain) McLaren 1min 11.925
2. Nick Heidfeld (Germany) BMW Sauber 1:12.391
3. Lewis Hamilton (Britain) McLaren 1:12.628
4. Sebastian Vettel (Germany) BMW Sauber 1:12.869
5. Kimi Raikkonen (Finland) Ferrari 1:12.966
6. Nico Rosberg (Germany) Williams-Toyota 1:13.020
7. Felipe Massa (Brazil) Ferrari 1:13.040
8. David Coulthard (Britain) RedBull-Renault 1:13.159
9. Jenson Button (Britain) Honda 1:13.597
10. Mark Webber (Australia) RedBull-Renault 1:13.682
11. Jarno Trulli (Italy) Toyota 1:13.777
12. Kazuki Nakajima (Japan) Williams-Toyota 1:13.786
13. Ralf Schumacher (Germany) Toyota 1:13.819
14. Vitantonio Liuzzi (Italy) Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:13.907
15. Scott Speed (U.S.) Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:13.990
16. Giancarlo Fisichella (Italy) Renault 1:14.000
17. Takuma Sato (Japan) Super Aguri-Honda 1:14.037
18. Rubens Barrichello (Brazil) Honda 1:14.052
19. Heikki Kovalainen (Finland) Renault 1:14.189
20. Anthony Davidson (Britain) Super Aguri-Honda 1:14.632
21. Christijan Albers (Netherlands) Spyker-Ferrari 1:14.636
22. Adrian Sutil (Germany) Spyker-Ferrari 1:14.810
Second practice times:
1. Fernando Alonso (Spain) McLaren 1:12.156
2. Lewis Hamilton (Britain) McLaren 1:12.309
3. Felipe Massa (Brazil) Ferrari 1:12.435
4. Kimi Raikkonen (Finland) Ferrari 1:12.587
5. Nick Heidfeld (Germany) BMW Sauber 1:13.026
6. David Coulthard (Britain) RedBull 1:13.042
7. Nico Rosberg (Germany) Williams 1:13.057
8. Heikki Kovalainen (Finland) Renault 1:13.110
9. Rubens Barrichello (Brazil) Honda 1:13.144
10. Jenson Button (Britain) Honda 1:13.202
11. Sebastian Vettel (Germany) BMW Sauber 1:13.217
12. Mark Webber (Australia) RedBull 1:13.263
13. Vitantonio Liuzzi (Italy) Toro Rosso 1:13.332
14. Anthony Davidson (Britain) Super Aguri 1:13.364
15. Giancarlo Fisichella (Italy) Renault 1:13.394
16. Alexander Wurz (Austria) Williams 1:13.539
17. Jarno Trulli (Italy) Toyota 1:13.692
18. Scott Speed (U.S.) Toro Rosso 1:13.712
19. Takuma Sato (Japan) Super Aguri 1:13.753
20. Ralf Schumacher (Germany) Toyota 1:13.765
21. Christijan Albers (Netherlands) Spyker 1:14.225
22. Adrian Sutil (Germany) Spyker 1:14.513
Last edited by Gromit801; Jun 15, 2007 at 02:59 PM.
I'll watch when they turn a MINI into a snow plow
Oh wait...Discovery Channel already did that

Oh wait...Discovery Channel already did that


Wow, I got a chance to watch the Montreal GP coverage from ITV 
It's widescreen and pretty close to HD.
They have an hour preshow with interviews with the drivers (this timely one was with Lewis Hamilton) and technology segment with driver physical training
They have a better pitwalk than Peter Windsor can accomplish.
With all due respect to the Speed crew, why don't we have this coverage in America
I would add Steve Matchett to the ITV crew and it would be perfect

It's widescreen and pretty close to HD.
They have an hour preshow with interviews with the drivers (this timely one was with Lewis Hamilton) and technology segment with driver physical training
They have a better pitwalk than Peter Windsor can accomplish.
With all due respect to the Speed crew, why don't we have this coverage in America

I would add Steve Matchett to the ITV crew and it would be perfect
Last edited by letsmotor; Jun 16, 2007 at 12:20 PM.
Nice...that must be great!!!
I've been watching qualifying on Speed...tomorrow's race will be interesting indeed. I'm dreading Fox lopping off the pre- and post-race shows, though.
I've been watching qualifying on Speed...tomorrow's race will be interesting indeed. I'm dreading Fox lopping off the pre- and post-race shows, though.
I followed live timing because my local channel is showing baseball instead and tape delaying F1 coverage 
Lewis Hamilton is amazing!!!
He's making Alonso look like Schumacher in the early Ferrari days. Alonso has to keep pushing and pushing just to catch up and inevitably, he makes a mistake.
Are we sure they've got the same car

I am a Schumacher guy and now I have got a new favorite driver.
I don't wish it upon anyone, but I want to see what Hamilton can do from the back of the grid say due to an untimely engine change.
Actually I think he won a GP2 race last year after spinning out to last place.

Lewis Hamilton is amazing!!!
He's making Alonso look like Schumacher in the early Ferrari days. Alonso has to keep pushing and pushing just to catch up and inevitably, he makes a mistake.
Are we sure they've got the same car

I am a Schumacher guy and now I have got a new favorite driver.
I don't wish it upon anyone, but I want to see what Hamilton can do from the back of the grid say due to an untimely engine change.
Actually I think he won a GP2 race last year after spinning out to last place.
you've gotta wonder how Juan Montoya would be doing if he hadn't jumped ship, looks like McLaren finally got their act together. Sure Hamilton is great, but lets not forget what the determining factor is in winning in F1. He's got a fabulous car.
I have to disagree. If the reason Hamilton was winning was because of his car, then why isn't Alonso beating him? I think Hamilton is a fantastic driver that will go far in F1. I fact, I think Ferrari needs to bring Schumacher back. I think he's the only driver that might have a chance at running with Hamilton. Obviously Masa and Kimi haven't had much luck....
I'm going to be really interest in how the 2nd half of the season will play out.
The past couple of years, seems one team or another would come on strong in the latter half, getting their car sorted out in the first half. I'm not a Ferrari fan, but I'm very leary of them suddenly coming on strong.
I also think these last two races will have an affect on Alonso, and his approach to the races and his team.
Hamilton might win the WDC, but I don't think he's going to walk away with it. We haven't seen him handle much in the way of adversity in F1. Like starting from the back of grid after blowing an engine during practice or quals, for example. I understand he once spun out in a GP2 race, and won from almost last place. He's not in GP2 anymore.
The past couple of years, seems one team or another would come on strong in the latter half, getting their car sorted out in the first half. I'm not a Ferrari fan, but I'm very leary of them suddenly coming on strong.
I also think these last two races will have an affect on Alonso, and his approach to the races and his team.
Hamilton might win the WDC, but I don't think he's going to walk away with it. We haven't seen him handle much in the way of adversity in F1. Like starting from the back of grid after blowing an engine during practice or quals, for example. I understand he once spun out in a GP2 race, and won from almost last place. He's not in GP2 anymore.
Last edited by Gromit801; Jun 18, 2007 at 02:02 PM.


