2007 Formula 1 Discussion Thread
Oh I believe anyone with common sense, knowing how Ferrari got spanked previously for "team management," believes someone in red muttered something to Max after Ron opened his yap.
Do I have proof? no.
Does anyone have proof they didn't? no.
Call it an educated guess from observing the antics of Ferrari since 1965.
Do I have proof? no.
Does anyone have proof they didn't? no.
Call it an educated guess from observing the antics of Ferrari since 1965.
Here are the comments from BelzeRon (Da devil) of Mclaren after the Monaco GP. He sure had a scowl on his face during the podium ceremony.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/59231
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1954
My contacts say this is what sparked the interest of the FIA.
Ferrari? They are working on their broken wind tunnel as the aero development is behind. They have a bit of work to do.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/59231
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1954
My contacts say this is what sparked the interest of the FIA.
Ferrari? They are working on their broken wind tunnel as the aero development is behind. They have a bit of work to do.
Last edited by MusicMINI; May 30, 2007 at 09:40 AM.
Oh I believe anyone with common sense, knowing how Ferrari got spanked previously for "team management," believes someone in red muttered something to Max after Ron opened his yap.
Do I have proof? no.
Does anyone have proof they didn't? no.
Call it an educated guess from observing the antics of Ferrari since 1965.
Do I have proof? no.
Does anyone have proof they didn't? no.
Call it an educated guess from observing the antics of Ferrari since 1965.
What can I say? Not much, I guess.
There you have it, folks.
I say good for the FIA for inquiring and good for Ron for explaining...I certainly learned something and appreciate Monaco's peculiarities all the more.
Oh and Squirlz...thanks for the info, I did not know that!
Oh and Squirlz...thanks for the info, I did not know that!
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I find it highly unlikely within the media frenzy directed at Britain's next great GP star that the British Press would turn a blind eye toward any influence Ferrari might have had in this.
I find it highly unlikely within the media frenzy directed at Britain's next great GP star that the British Press would turn a blind eye toward any influence Ferrari might have had in this.
I just watched the ITV broadcast of Monaco . . . I can testify that everyone of Hamilton's countrymen . . . whether a former World Champion as Moss and Stewart or member of the broadcast team . . . including former drivers Brundle and Blundell . . . to celebs on the grid . . . heavily anticipated his victory. Ripe with anticipation would be an understatement.
I believe that only Eddie Jordan called for an Alonso win.
I can now see that when Lewis came second, especially considering his apparent tactical move off the grid, why there were more than a few disappointed faces looking for answers.
I believe that only Eddie Jordan called for an Alonso win.
I can now see that when Lewis came second, especially considering his apparent tactical move off the grid, why there were more than a few disappointed faces looking for answers.
Just a reminder that this weekend's Canadian GP will be televised on FOX. 10AM to Noon Pacific Time. I believe the usual Speed TV announcers (Hobbs, Varsha, Matchett, and Windsor) will be doing the honors.
_Dave_
_Dave_
FIA Investigation
I thought this was interesting reading...
http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/37708/
The FIA has decided to not to take any action against McLaren in the aftermath of the team orders controversy in Monaco.
The governing body announced on Monday that it would examine the case and see if the team had acted against the interests of the sport, in particular reference to section 151c of the Sporting Code.
Interestingly, it did not intend to pursue the matter under article 39 of the F1 sporting regulations, which specifically prohibits team orders that interfere with a race result.
On reviewing the evidence the governing body decided that the team had done nothing untoward, given its substantial advantage over the rest of the field.
McLaren immediately released a statement of its own commending the decision. Click here for story.
The news comes despite a colorful statement from Bernie Ecclestone in an English newspaper to the effect that the team could even been banned from the World Championship.
The FIA’s statement read as follows:
Having studied the radio traffic between Vodafone McLaren Mercedes (McLaren) and its drivers, together with the FIA observer’s report and data from the team, it is clear that McLaren’s actions during the 2007 Monaco Grand Prix were entirely legitimate and no further action is necessary.
The facts:
1. A two-stop strategy is the optimum at Monaco unless the safety car is deployed, in which case one-stop can sometimes be better.
2. The safety car has been deployed during four of the past five Monaco Grands Prix.
3. Under current rules the choice between a one-stop and two-stop strategy must be made before the final qualifying period.
4. It is clear from FIA measurements taken after qualifying that McLaren fuelled Hamilton for five more laps than Alonso.
5. This allowed Hamilton the option of a one-stop strategy should the safety car have come out during his first stint.
6. The safety car was not deployed.
7. The McLaren was significantly faster at Monaco than any other car.
Background
The primary objective of any team is for one of their drivers to win. If this can be achieved they will try to ensure their other car finishes second.
With no safety car during Alonso’s first stint, there was a small but finite risk that it would come out during the five laps before Hamilton had to refuel. This would have put him behind the field and at a significant disadvantage to any car on a full (as opposed to optional) one-stop strategy. The latter cars would be expected to refuel around lap 40 – i.e., after the safety car had pitted if it came out during Hamilton’s extra laps.
For similar reasons Hamilton was called in early for his second pit stop, thus assuring his second place, with or without a safety car.
Had the car in front of Hamilton not been his team mate, McLaren might (probably would) have decided to risk the safety car and let Hamilton run for as long as his fuel load allowed in the hope that he would come out of the pits in the lead after one of his pit stops. There is, however, no obligation on them to take this risk in order to overtake their own car. Indeed it would be foolish to do so.
It is standard procedure for a team to tell its drivers to slow down when they have a substantial lead. This is in order to minimize the risk of technical or other problems. It is also standard practice and entirely reasonable to ask the drivers not to put each other at risk.
McLaren was able to pursue an optimum team strategy because it had a substantial advantage over all other cars. They did nothing which could be described as interfering with the race result.
For the record I picked Alonso to win this race.
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I think Ferrari will make a strong comeback in the next two North American GPs. Time will tell.
http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/37708/
The FIA has decided to not to take any action against McLaren in the aftermath of the team orders controversy in Monaco.
The governing body announced on Monday that it would examine the case and see if the team had acted against the interests of the sport, in particular reference to section 151c of the Sporting Code.
Interestingly, it did not intend to pursue the matter under article 39 of the F1 sporting regulations, which specifically prohibits team orders that interfere with a race result.
On reviewing the evidence the governing body decided that the team had done nothing untoward, given its substantial advantage over the rest of the field.
McLaren immediately released a statement of its own commending the decision. Click here for story.
The news comes despite a colorful statement from Bernie Ecclestone in an English newspaper to the effect that the team could even been banned from the World Championship.
The FIA’s statement read as follows:
Having studied the radio traffic between Vodafone McLaren Mercedes (McLaren) and its drivers, together with the FIA observer’s report and data from the team, it is clear that McLaren’s actions during the 2007 Monaco Grand Prix were entirely legitimate and no further action is necessary.
The facts:
1. A two-stop strategy is the optimum at Monaco unless the safety car is deployed, in which case one-stop can sometimes be better.
2. The safety car has been deployed during four of the past five Monaco Grands Prix.
3. Under current rules the choice between a one-stop and two-stop strategy must be made before the final qualifying period.
4. It is clear from FIA measurements taken after qualifying that McLaren fuelled Hamilton for five more laps than Alonso.
5. This allowed Hamilton the option of a one-stop strategy should the safety car have come out during his first stint.
6. The safety car was not deployed.
7. The McLaren was significantly faster at Monaco than any other car.
Background
The primary objective of any team is for one of their drivers to win. If this can be achieved they will try to ensure their other car finishes second.
With no safety car during Alonso’s first stint, there was a small but finite risk that it would come out during the five laps before Hamilton had to refuel. This would have put him behind the field and at a significant disadvantage to any car on a full (as opposed to optional) one-stop strategy. The latter cars would be expected to refuel around lap 40 – i.e., after the safety car had pitted if it came out during Hamilton’s extra laps.
For similar reasons Hamilton was called in early for his second pit stop, thus assuring his second place, with or without a safety car.
Had the car in front of Hamilton not been his team mate, McLaren might (probably would) have decided to risk the safety car and let Hamilton run for as long as his fuel load allowed in the hope that he would come out of the pits in the lead after one of his pit stops. There is, however, no obligation on them to take this risk in order to overtake their own car. Indeed it would be foolish to do so.
It is standard procedure for a team to tell its drivers to slow down when they have a substantial lead. This is in order to minimize the risk of technical or other problems. It is also standard practice and entirely reasonable to ask the drivers not to put each other at risk.
McLaren was able to pursue an optimum team strategy because it had a substantial advantage over all other cars. They did nothing which could be described as interfering with the race result.
For the record I picked Alonso to win this race.
(Oldf1fan) I am down a bit this year! Join our Speed TV F1 pool if you like F1 this is fun stuff.http://teamwishbone.com/F1POOL/
I think Ferrari will make a strong comeback in the next two North American GPs. Time will tell.
Anybody need a three day parking pass for the Indy F1 race?? I didn't realize that doing the car carral gives you three days of free parking. I thought it was only Race Day parking...
* It's not in HD
* The "football programming graphics" are ridiculous
but most of all . . .
where was the pre-race coverage?!?!?!
I'd much prefer they keep the broadcasts on SPEED if they're not going to give us the same coverage.
My two cents.
* The "football programming graphics" are ridiculous
but most of all . . .
where was the pre-race coverage?!?!?!
I'd much prefer they keep the broadcasts on SPEED if they're not going to give us the same coverage.
My two cents.
Lap 52-Fisichella has been black-flagged for exiting puts under a red light earlier. Massa has been given the same penalty for the same offence.
- i'll check out pre- and post- race coverage wednesday on speed
- it's 1000x better than CBS
- this is an exciting race that will no doubt increase F1 visibility and interest in the US which is sorely needed.
Fox does.
My understanding is that the FIA feed is in HD and broadcast as such in other countries.
If anyone can explain to me why they couldn't carry the HD feed, I'd really appreciate it.
Limited podium and no post race comments on Hamilton's first win? Geez.
My understanding is that it isn't broadcast in HD anywhere. I could be wrong though.
Last edited by STLMINI; Jun 10, 2007 at 12:08 PM.
Hope Kube is actually okay! that was indeed a vicious crash!
Enjoyed Ham's first win; enjoyed the "synchronized spinning" performed by Trulli and Rosberg.
Way too many ads on Fox. Graphics huge and ridiculous. (At one point, the baseball ad made it look like some idiot was running across the track...)
No pre-race coverage, and very little podium.
Bizarre coverage of an even more bizarre race.
At least we had the Speed "regulars" doing the commentary - although they seemed to be struggling with the burden of "informing" the audience...
_Dave_
Enjoyed Ham's first win; enjoyed the "synchronized spinning" performed by Trulli and Rosberg.
Way too many ads on Fox. Graphics huge and ridiculous. (At one point, the baseball ad made it look like some idiot was running across the track...)
No pre-race coverage, and very little podium.
Bizarre coverage of an even more bizarre race.
At least we had the Speed "regulars" doing the commentary - although they seemed to be struggling with the burden of "informing" the audience...
_Dave_
Last edited by am0eba; Jun 10, 2007 at 01:04 PM. Reason: spelling! WOW!
The ITV telecast is definitely 16x9 . . . and is much cleaner. Perhaps this is merely the difference between PAL and NTSC, but it looks more like the difference between SD and HD. I also did a big project for Panasonic last year, and would have sworn that they told me the F1 broadcasts in Japan were in HD.
Who knows . . . perhaps it is not in HD . . . and I am wrong. The abbreviated coverage still bugged me . . . especially for this race . . .
The question as to whether the Fox broadcast awakens more Americans to F1 isn't really a concern for me.
Ok . . . that's it . . . I'm just very curious about the world feed.
Who knows . . . perhaps it is not in HD . . . and I am wrong. The abbreviated coverage still bugged me . . . especially for this race . . .
The question as to whether the Fox broadcast awakens more Americans to F1 isn't really a concern for me.
Ok . . . that's it . . . I'm just very curious about the world feed.
Last edited by CutnThrust; Jun 10, 2007 at 12:57 PM.
Even tho I'll be at Indy starting Wednsday night I hope Fox's race coverage will not be just two hours again. Good thing for Speed's pre race coverage overload! Lot's of stuff to tape this weekend while I'm away......17 hours of LeMans coverage and hours of Indy coverage, then I'll have to find time to watch it all!
Good thing for DVR's!Also can't wait to go the Karting track at Exit 123 on I-70!! Wahoo! Went two years ago but couldn't run since I wasn't wearing long pants and shoes....





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