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Old May 30, 2007 | 09:14 AM
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Oh I believe anyone with common sense, knowing how Ferrari got spanked previously for "team management," believes someone in red muttered something to Max after Ron opened his yap.

Do I have proof? no.

Does anyone have proof they didn't? no.

Call it an educated guess from observing the antics of Ferrari since 1965.
 
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Old May 30, 2007 | 09:21 AM
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Here are the comments from BelzeRon (Da devil) of Mclaren after the Monaco GP. He sure had a scowl on his face during the podium ceremony.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/59231

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1954

My contacts say this is what sparked the interest of the FIA.

Ferrari? They are working on their broken wind tunnel as the aero development is behind. They have a bit of work to do.
 

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Old May 30, 2007 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Gromit801
Oh I believe anyone with common sense, knowing how Ferrari got spanked previously for "team management," believes someone in red muttered something to Max after Ron opened his yap.

Do I have proof? no.

Does anyone have proof they didn't? no.

Call it an educated guess from observing the antics of Ferrari since 1965.
Wow, what a response.

What can I say? Not much, I guess.

There you have it, folks.
 
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Old May 30, 2007 | 09:40 AM
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I say good for the FIA for inquiring and good for Ron for explaining...I certainly learned something and appreciate Monaco's peculiarities all the more.

Oh and Squirlz...thanks for the info, I did not know that!
 
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Old May 30, 2007 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Gromit801
That happened so quickly, I wonder if the FIA just made the "investigation" a formality to make the press and Ferrari happy.
i'm guessing it was resolved so quickly because the charges were so bogus.
 
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Old May 30, 2007 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Gromit801
Oh I believe anyone with common sense
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I find it highly unlikely within the media frenzy directed at Britain's next great GP star that the British Press would turn a blind eye toward any influence Ferrari might have had in this.
 
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Old May 30, 2007 | 03:00 PM
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Bad flashback of last year on the turn where Kimi's car decides to break.
 
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 01:34 PM
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I just watched the ITV broadcast of Monaco . . . I can testify that everyone of Hamilton's countrymen . . . whether a former World Champion as Moss and Stewart or member of the broadcast team . . . including former drivers Brundle and Blundell . . . to celebs on the grid . . . heavily anticipated his victory. Ripe with anticipation would be an understatement.

I believe that only Eddie Jordan called for an Alonso win.

I can now see that when Lewis came second, especially considering his apparent tactical move off the grid, why there were more than a few disappointed faces looking for answers.
 
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 03:27 PM
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Just a reminder that this weekend's Canadian GP will be televised on FOX. 10AM to Noon Pacific Time. I believe the usual Speed TV announcers (Hobbs, Varsha, Matchett, and Windsor) will be doing the honors.

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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 03:39 PM
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FIA Investigation

I thought this was interesting reading...

http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/37708/

The FIA has decided to not to take any action against McLaren in the aftermath of the team orders controversy in Monaco.

The governing body announced on Monday that it would examine the case and see if the team had acted against the interests of the sport, in particular reference to section 151c of the Sporting Code.

Interestingly, it did not intend to pursue the matter under article 39 of the F1 sporting regulations, which specifically prohibits team orders that interfere with a race result.

On reviewing the evidence the governing body decided that the team had done nothing untoward, given its substantial advantage over the rest of the field.

McLaren immediately released a statement of its own commending the decision. Click here for story.

The news comes despite a colorful statement from Bernie Ecclestone in an English newspaper to the effect that the team could even been banned from the World Championship.

The FIA’s statement read as follows:

Having studied the radio traffic between Vodafone McLaren Mercedes (McLaren) and its drivers, together with the FIA observer’s report and data from the team, it is clear that McLaren’s actions during the 2007 Monaco Grand Prix were entirely legitimate and no further action is necessary.

The facts:

1. A two-stop strategy is the optimum at Monaco unless the safety car is deployed, in which case one-stop can sometimes be better.

2. The safety car has been deployed during four of the past five Monaco Grands Prix.

3. Under current rules the choice between a one-stop and two-stop strategy must be made before the final qualifying period.

4. It is clear from FIA measurements taken after qualifying that McLaren fuelled Hamilton for five more laps than Alonso.

5. This allowed Hamilton the option of a one-stop strategy should the safety car have come out during his first stint.

6. The safety car was not deployed.

7. The McLaren was significantly faster at Monaco than any other car.

Background

The primary objective of any team is for one of their drivers to win. If this can be achieved they will try to ensure their other car finishes second.

With no safety car during Alonso’s first stint, there was a small but finite risk that it would come out during the five laps before Hamilton had to refuel. This would have put him behind the field and at a significant disadvantage to any car on a full (as opposed to optional) one-stop strategy. The latter cars would be expected to refuel around lap 40 – i.e., after the safety car had pitted if it came out during Hamilton’s extra laps.

For similar reasons Hamilton was called in early for his second pit stop, thus assuring his second place, with or without a safety car.

Had the car in front of Hamilton not been his team mate, McLaren might (probably would) have decided to risk the safety car and let Hamilton run for as long as his fuel load allowed in the hope that he would come out of the pits in the lead after one of his pit stops. There is, however, no obligation on them to take this risk in order to overtake their own car. Indeed it would be foolish to do so.

It is standard procedure for a team to tell its drivers to slow down when they have a substantial lead. This is in order to minimize the risk of technical or other problems. It is also standard practice and entirely reasonable to ask the drivers not to put each other at risk.

McLaren was able to pursue an optimum team strategy because it had a substantial advantage over all other cars. They did nothing which could be described as interfering with the race result.

For the record I picked Alonso to win this race. (Oldf1fan) I am down a bit this year! Join our Speed TV F1 pool if you like F1 this is fun stuff.

http://teamwishbone.com/F1POOL/

I think Ferrari will make a strong comeback in the next two North American GPs. Time will tell.
 
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 07:51 PM
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Anybody need a three day parking pass for the Indy F1 race?? I didn't realize that doing the car carral gives you three days of free parking. I thought it was only Race Day parking...
 
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Old Jun 10, 2007 | 10:54 AM
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First impressions of F1 on fox:

The only complaint I have are the freaking promotional graphics.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2007 | 11:15 AM
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* It's not in HD
* The "football programming graphics" are ridiculous

but most of all . . .

where was the pre-race coverage?!?!?!

I'd much prefer they keep the broadcasts on SPEED if they're not going to give us the same coverage.

My two cents.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2007 | 11:18 AM
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Lots of drama in this race!!!
 
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Old Jun 10, 2007 | 11:30 AM
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I am forced to watch this on live timing on F1 Website anybody know why Massa retired. I read about the penalty.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2007 | 11:36 AM
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I am forced to watch this on live timing on F1 Website anybody know why Massa retired. I read about the penalty.
PER F1 LIVE TIMING:

Lap 52-Fisichella has been black-flagged for exiting puts under a red light earlier. Massa has been given the same penalty for the same offence.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2007 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by CutnThrust
* It's not in HD
* The "football programming graphics" are ridiculous

but most of all . . .

where was the pre-race coverage?!?!?!

I'd much prefer they keep the broadcasts on SPEED if they're not going to give us the same coverage.

My two cents.
- it's not on HD on Speed either
- i'll check out pre- and post- race coverage wednesday on speed
- it's 1000x better than CBS
- this is an exciting race that will no doubt increase F1 visibility and interest in the US which is sorely needed.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2007 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by STLMINI
- i'll check out pre- and post- race coverage wednesday on speed
I speculate, based on this race, that the post-race coverage will have very good ratings!!!
 
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Old Jun 10, 2007 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by STLMINI
- it's not on HD on Speed either
- i'll check out pre- and post- race coverage wednesday on speed
SPEED does not broadcast in HD.
Fox does.
My understanding is that the FIA feed is in HD and broadcast as such in other countries.

If anyone can explain to me why they couldn't carry the HD feed, I'd really appreciate it.

Limited podium and no post race comments on Hamilton's first win? Geez.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2007 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by CutnThrust
My understanding is that the FIA feed is in HD and broadcast as such in other countries.
My understanding is that it isn't broadcast in HD anywhere. I could be wrong though.
 

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Old Jun 10, 2007 | 12:13 PM
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Limited podium and no post race comments on Hamilton's first win? Geez.
I know...sucks.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2007 | 12:14 PM
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Hope Kube is actually okay! that was indeed a vicious crash!

Enjoyed Ham's first win; enjoyed the "synchronized spinning" performed by Trulli and Rosberg.

Way too many ads on Fox. Graphics huge and ridiculous. (At one point, the baseball ad made it look like some idiot was running across the track...)

No pre-race coverage, and very little podium.

Bizarre coverage of an even more bizarre race.

At least we had the Speed "regulars" doing the commentary - although they seemed to be struggling with the burden of "informing" the audience...

_Dave_
 

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Old Jun 10, 2007 | 12:16 PM
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The ITV telecast is definitely 16x9 . . . and is much cleaner. Perhaps this is merely the difference between PAL and NTSC, but it looks more like the difference between SD and HD. I also did a big project for Panasonic last year, and would have sworn that they told me the F1 broadcasts in Japan were in HD.

Who knows . . . perhaps it is not in HD . . . and I am wrong. The abbreviated coverage still bugged me . . . especially for this race . . .

The question as to whether the Fox broadcast awakens more Americans to F1 isn't really a concern for me.

Ok . . . that's it . . . I'm just very curious about the world feed.
 

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Old Jun 10, 2007 | 01:05 PM
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Uhhhh, Sato? What was that? Its good to see that a "small" team can be competative in F1. Must have been a good hit to Alonso's ego towards the end .

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Old Jun 11, 2007 | 08:25 AM
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Uhhhh, Sato? What was that? Its good to see that a "small" team can be competative in F1. Must have been a good hit to Alonso's ego towards the end .

-Brian
Awesome race made that much better because CBS didn't carry it! The three "amigo's" from Speed certainly help tremendously in that regard but I was very disappointed in no pre-race or post race coverage. Would have liked to hear from LH and seen Satos' body language after coming to park ferme. Four safety cars for sure made the race interesting and I'm glad Kubica was not as bad as he appeared to be after coming to a halt. No movement was very disheartening (Senna). Was that Trulli defending against Kubica? He may have takien that defensive move a bit too far and wide. Too bad for Massa & Fizzy but they need to keep their eyes open.

Even tho I'll be at Indy starting Wednsday night I hope Fox's race coverage will not be just two hours again. Good thing for Speed's pre race coverage overload! Lot's of stuff to tape this weekend while I'm away......17 hours of LeMans coverage and hours of Indy coverage, then I'll have to find time to watch it all! Good thing for DVR's!

Also can't wait to go the Karting track at Exit 123 on I-70!! Wahoo! Went two years ago but couldn't run since I wasn't wearing long pants and shoes....
 
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