Hello
my waste gate has went bad on my turbo which to get a new turbo the dealership priced it at $3100.
So I went looking for other turbos and all I found was a company called JMTC. Has anyone heard or tried any of these turbos?

 

JMTC is very reputable for our Mini's. They have tons of good track record selling upgraded turbos to our 2nd gen mini's. I haven't seen or heard much reviews about their 3rd gen offering, though. But these guys definitely knows what they're doing.

You can also look up Turbo Lab America and try to get a hold of Austin who's quite talented at rebuilding turbo's. It's just kinda hard to get a hold of him on the phone.

 

Thanks for the information I was looking into a refurbished JMTC Turbo for the F56. I was very caution about making a purchase on a refurbished turbo and in my research I didn’t find much reviews about the 3rd gen turbo i heard that these were Chinese products. And I was just questioning the reliability since the lack of reviews.

 

Out of curiosity - how many miles on your F56 and any performance mods?

 

The car is stock except for the K&N air intake the car has 61000 miles on it.

 

In this case, be careful on JMTC turbo's you're getting. If it's a stock replacement, you will be fine. If it's their upgraded turbo, you'll need to seriously look into some additional mods and a tune to support it. The difference in air flow alone will create drivability issues plus error codes if you aren't careful to class your mods with the turbo. If it were me, I would seriously consider the upgraded turbo simply because they also upgraded the turbo internals with better bearings and so on.

 

https://www.minimania.com/part/G3NME...n3-F55-f57-F60

This is the only JMTC turbo I could find that fits my F56. But yes the car is completely stock except for the intake. So in your last post you said I would need to look into upgrading other parts of the car to work with this turbo. My other option was to get a stock Mini Cooper turbo from a wrecked one. It does seem hard to find information about the F56 at least when it comes to turbos.

 

Whats up ya'll! Sorry to hear about the Mini Rob :(

This is so crazy! I literally came on here looking in to this exact turbo, for the exact same reason. I'm in a 2015 F56. I drive sporty a lot, and the car pretty much stays in sport mode. I bought the car used in September, after having my (brand new to me) 2014 F56 with the JCW tune and pipes totaled by another driver.

When I bought the car, I immediately started to notice a loud turbo "flutter" when asking for torque from the car, and then letting off the gas completely. I paid it no mind, as it was a new car, and I do not have much experience when it comes to cars. Anyways, Everything goes great with the car until about a month ago, when my axel-back exhaust goes missing, the same day I took my car in to Mini to get the oil changed. After taking a trip to my family mechanic, we came to the deduction that the previous owner, (who had put a 3rd party exhaust on the car) had paid for a crap weld job, and over time, and a very hard and long day of driving, it had given up it's ghost, and skidded off behind me somewhere on the middle TN interstates.... Never to be seen again....

Anyways, I immediately started saving some money right after the holidays so I could throw a Borla, or Magnaflow on there.... but lo and behold, a little over a week ago, I start getting a "drivetrain malfunction." It read "Drive Moderately, Maximum drivetrain output not available. Consult service Center."

Immediately, I freaked out. This was on my way to work, and I was only receiving half torque and not even half HP on my gauges. When I got into downtown, I turned off my music to listen to the car, and I realized that there was no turbo "flutter," and immediately I was inquisitive. I pulled it in to work, opened the hood to look around, and the had to get inside. I stressed about it until I was able to take my break, and then came back out to the car, and started it but. However, this time, no warning symbols. I took the car out for a quick spin, and everything had returned to normal. I scheduled an appointment with my mechanic, and took it as soon as possible.

Within the time that I had to drive the car in between service, it was common that for only the duration of the first drive of the day, the car would drive in this "limp mode," As soon as you tun the car off, and then on again (usually after a period of 30 minutes) there would be no error and all would act fine.

I finally get it to my mechanic, who runs the codes, and find a wastegate error for the turbo, as well as a "do not touch" from Mini technical support. There was also talk of a software update for the car to fix the problem. He told me to take it to mini, and let them do what they do.

I finally managed to get the car in today, after a week of waiting, and non sport driving :( Mini confirmed that it was, in fact, the turbo's waste gate being stuck open that was causing the power loss. They quoted me a new turbo for 2,875, and after a whole new set up, would come out to nearly 5000.

Now, I was almost relieved to see that it was the turbo that had gone out, because I have been wanting to upgrade the turbo in my car since the last mini I had. I have had my eyes on the FAT JMTC turbo upgrade for some time now, and I feel like this is the perfect opportunity to shell out a few extra hundred bucks to get the performance turbo I have been eyeing. On top of this, I still need a new exhaust, but now I am considering getting the JCW pack put back on either way.

I am faced with a few questions:

1: As stated by Ron above, I want to make sure that this investment I am making in the turbo is a good one. I have done some research, and this is one of the few turbos on the market for F56s right now, so my options are limited

2: If I get this FAT upgrade, I know I would need a tune, but on mini mania, they sell a tuning kit that comes in one of the "power stage" kits, including the JMTC turbo. https://new.minimania.com/part/G3NMK...n3-F56-Hardtop
At this point, this is just a plug and play tune that I'm not sure that I trust. What are some alternatives? I live in middle TN, and I haven't found anyone near me that will tune MCs.

3: If I do go with the JCW exhaust, the tune that comes with it is rather aggressive. With common sense, It doesn't seem like the best idea to throw another 12mm of turbo on top of the engine that is built for the smaller, with a more aggressive tune already. Am I right in thinking this? If this us the case, this no longer makes the 2000 dollars for the exhaust AND tune worth it.

4: When getting this larger turbo, will getting larger turbo pipes help smooth the transition for the car any better or add any performance benefit?

Sorry for the long a** post! Excited and also saddened to find someone else in my boat. I also wanted to share the whole story, as I have found countless amounts of people with the drivetrain code looking for answers online.

 

Check this website out:
http://jmtcperformance.com/f56-s-tur...2-0l-s-engine/

It's a stock refurbished turbo replacement going this route. Doing this you won't need to worry about classing your upgrades. But I will still say that this is too much to pay for just to address the waste gate failure. I would strongly suggest you speak to Turbo Lab America or some other turbo rebuilders. They are extremely knowledgeable on these Mitsubishi turbo's and I'm sure they can either repair yours or get you a replacement part for a much lower price than what you're looking at.

 

So I have hunted out all of the parts inside of the stage four power kit off of Mini Mania. I have managed to find everything on two different websites for 200 dollars cheaper, and managed to get the quicksilver exhaust I have been wanting. These are just shopping carts right now though :(
As for the news on the turbo, I have contacted JMTC personally, and have spoken to their technical support about the best tuning option for my car with all of the performance parts added. They replied within a day, and we are now corresponding. I do not think that there is anything to be worried about when it comes to their turbos... Their address is in the United Sates, they respond over email, and I'm sure that they would answer their phones. Their website also offers plenty of replacement parts as well as guides to all of their products.

Now it's just time to not spend any money and grind at work until I get this shipped, and put on. I will keep you all posted.

 

Just for some data points - got my first drivetrain malfunction message yesterday. It went away quickly but I did a scan this morning for codes to see if anything was stored.

26303 External SWT test condition not met Intermittent
120408 Charging pressure control: Switch-off, pressure build-up blocked Intermittent
8040A9 START-STOP button hall effect sensor: Incorrect operation (pressure oblique) Intermittent
B7F643 Instrument panel: Photosensor:Short circuit to B+ Intermittent
26303 External SWT test condition not met Intermittent
2C57 Charging pressure control, plausibility Pressure too low not present

I have a Dinan Elite installed so not sure if that is involved in all this.

I've got a low mileage 2014 F56S (21,500 miles)

 

That looks to me like you have a boost leak in the charged side somewhere. I've recovered from a flooded F56 and one bad code can cause a whole lot of other codes to come along with it. Then as I go resolve for one repair, many related CEL's come off with it. I see you providing wisdom on many threads out here, so I take it that getting into resolving them shouldn't be much of an issue.


EDIT: (after reading the original poster's issues, nevermind, I believe you're referring to the already known waste gate issue).

 

Not sure what I'm referring to. Just wanted to post some codes for others to reference and see if my car progresses towards a failure of some kind. Can't really fix anything until it becomes a consistent problem.

 

To add another data point to this - a few times a week I make the same 5 mile drive and wait to pick someone up for about 10 minutes or so. I leave the stereo (aftermarket amps) running the whole time and after restarting the car two times I'd get the drive train malfunction. Tonight I shut the car down and didn't use the stereo/amps and no warnings. I'm wondering if the battery is running down and causing these warnings?

 

Need to get that Carly app or something similar to read out the battery registry settings from your car and make sure that's the same with your battery. My car was registered charging at 70 A/h, and I bought a battery which is rated at 80 A/h, I did get similar issues as you speak of. A guy at the local autocheck was doing my wheel alignment and scanned the alternator charging setting, told me it was only charging at a rate of 12.7 volts which he deemed to be weird. I used Carly app and registered it at 80 A/h and now the alternator is regulated to charge at 13.5 volts. I also don't experience the battery problem anymore.

 

My F55 MCS also has K&N intake filter... Could this filter be an issue which ruins turbo and what were the symptoms of your turbo going bad?

 

JM Turbo Cooper are one of few places that are doing upgraded F56+ Turbos. He is s great guy and knowledgeable. https://www.ecstuning.com/b-jm-turbo...per-s-b48a20a/

MINI does have this part avalibell : https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...657850453~oem/

It the ones side but not the pivot flap itself. #16 , you might have to have a turbo shop look at that and see if they can make it or fix it.

https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/sho...diagId=11_5510

 

Hey what were your symptoms??? I'm chasing issues that suggest a wastewater issue

 

it will feel like yours has a ton of bricks weighing it down - on top of 1-2 of your pulling gears not performing as well as you once remember.

 

I definitely have less power. Do you ever get like a fluter or surge sound at higher boost levels. Im stage 1 with a few other upgrades but if i put the stock file on and data log it you can obviously see the boost all over the place. I did smoke the intake yesterday and found a small leak on the pcv line but after fixing it there is no change plus no codes to help me in the right direction. How many miles did your car have on it ? I just turned 51000

 

I never felt any vibration or heard any concerning noises other than LESS turbo noise. However, I had yet to replace my intake, exhaust, or tune.

I should also note that I was running stock EVERYTHING at this time.
I should also note that this problem was only fixed by a new turbo, and only temporarily.

Unfortunately by the time the turbo had been broken in, my valve cover went bad. After this, I had to replace the entire engine because of a cracked header - and finally my high pressure fuel pump started acting up in refills.

long story short - a Karen T-boned me and robbed me of try beautiful car… but she also saved me from dumping more money. I wish I could give more info, but I kept chasing this problem all the way from the front to the back of the car until the day she died.

I hope you have better luck!