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Old Oct 21, 2014 | 09:22 AM
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Automatic rev-matching

For the other members with a manual transmission:
Does your car rev match when you downshift into 2nd gear? Mine doesn't and I thought I remember it doing so when I test drove.
I haven't tried first since I'm usually stopped or almost stopped when I downshift into it.

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Old Oct 21, 2014 | 09:38 AM
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I seem to recall that mine does, but I don't always pay close attention. If I'm driving fast, I'm usually entering corners at a speed that is better suited to 3rd gear and then I know that the rev matching is working.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2014 | 10:08 AM
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Mine DOES NOT going into second and/or first.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2014 | 10:13 AM
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Interesting. Mine also doesn't match going into second. I'm taking it in tomorrow for that issue. The service guy I spoke to didn't mention that as normal behavior.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2014 | 10:17 AM
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Do you have traction control (DSC/DTC) turned off? I seem to recall disabling one of these will also disable rev-matching.

For reference I don't have mine turned off and my 2014 does rev-match in every gear.
 

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Old Oct 21, 2014 | 11:01 AM
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Interesting
I seem to have a dead spot after shifting from 1st to second
 
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Old Oct 21, 2014 | 11:53 AM
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i've never played around with turning off the traction control or anything.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2014 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by CooperB
Do you have traction control (DSC/DTC) turned off? I seem to recall disabling one of these will also disable rev-matching.
Nope, traction control is enabled. Rev matching works in 5th, 4th and 3rd but NOT 2nd. It's weird because 2nd is probably the gear I downshift to the most.

The apparent frequency of this problem has me concerned because I can see service telling me it works as designed. I guess I'll find out tomorrow.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2014 | 12:02 PM
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At what speed are you downshifting into second? I find that mine wont do it below 20 KPH, roughly 12 miles an hour, and it never does first gear.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2014 | 01:07 PM
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Based on this thread, I tried multiple downshifts into 2nd gear, from speeds ranging from 25mph up to 50. Rev matching occurred as expected each time.

Car is a '14 MCS. Volcanic Orange, of course.
 

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Old Oct 21, 2014 | 01:09 PM
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Mine rev matches to 2nd just fine.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2014 | 09:25 AM
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the only gear mine doesn't rev match is 1st gear, otherwise it does it in every gear all the time.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2014 | 10:42 AM
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I just heard back from the service guy that they tested several cars on the lot and found none of them rev matched in second. He said since the car has no faults and all other cars behave the same, it's as designed.

This bothers me on several levels, mainly that this guy seems to be figuring out what is right as he's going along. Shouldn't all this be documented somewhere? Does anyone know who I can call to get the official, 100% definitive answer on what this is supposed to do?
 
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Old Oct 22, 2014 | 11:04 AM
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What year is your car? 2014 or 2015?

MINI changed motors from 2014 to 2015. Makes me wonder if they changed a couple other things?

As I said, my 2014 rev-matches every gear on downshift.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2014 | 11:07 AM
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I'm 2015 and don't rev match 1st or 2nd (and I think I like it that way).
 
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Old Oct 22, 2014 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by CooperB
What year is your car? 2014 or 2015?

MINI changed motors from 2014 to 2015. Makes me wonder if they changed a couple other things?

As I said, my 2014 rev-matches every gear on downshift.
CooperB
The motors in the 2014 and 2015 Hardtop are the same.
The only change in the 2014 line up was to the Hardtop.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2014 | 11:22 AM
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2014 had the B48 motor while the 2015 has the B46 motor.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2014 | 11:25 AM
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I have a 2015 Hardtop S and it does NOT rev match in 2nd. I'm having a hell of a time finding someone who knows how it's supposed to work.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2014 | 11:34 AM
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Some R56 person mistanenly downshifted from 5th to 2nd (instead of 4th) and it did something really bad. Maybe that's the reason?
 
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Old Oct 22, 2014 | 11:41 AM
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Does your dealer have a '14 S manual on the lot? If so ask to test drive it and check it out for yourself.

Or show them this... sorry for the poor quality, hard to drive/shift and video it at the same time. (and before anyone asks, no I did not "blip" the throttle on either of these 2 downshifts, as soon as the gear goes in the rev-match happens)


 
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Old Oct 22, 2014 | 11:52 AM
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I called another dealer, they don't really know and are checking out cars on the lot. I'm surprised this is a difficult question to answer. If it turns out rev matching doesn't happen in 2nd per design on 2015s, I'm going to be extremely annoyed.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2014 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by RichSz
I called another dealer, they don't really know and are checking out cars on the lot. I'm surprised this is a difficult question to answer. If it turns out rev matching doesn't happen in 2nd per design on 2015s, I'm going to be extremely annoyed.
I believe you already determined that your car doesn't do it, as have some other people. Doesn't that pretty much answer your question?
 
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Old Oct 22, 2014 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBigNewt
I believe you already determined that your car doesn't do it, as have some other people. Doesn't that pretty much answer your question?

I think its nice to have a feature that works correctly 100% of the time...

I guess the issue is finding out what is considered correct, though.


That being said, they should have just copied Nissan.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2014 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBigNewt
I believe you already determined that your car doesn't do it, as have some other people. Doesn't that pretty much answer your question?

Actually no, it doesn't. I'm an engineer so I'm irritatingly curious therefore "yes" and "no" are too vague for my tastes. I want to know WHY it doesn't do that. Why do 2014s match in second but 2015s do not? (Second dealer called and told me that much.) The dealer said because the shifting calibration is different between the 2 model years. I don't know what that means either but it bugs me. Since I downshift into 2nd more than any other gear, this kind-of-cool feature is pretty much useless to me. Why nerf it like that?
 
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Old Oct 22, 2014 | 12:17 PM
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guess i just need to learn how to heel-toe after all!
 
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