ya.... something is up... either he was in third and you were in second... or something is definetly up with the tune...

 

I dont have the "boxes" to determine the ign timing loss..... but I am still hitting hard on 15 lbs boost ( via Autometer gage ) in 100+ Fl. heat and humidity!! I am at a 25% water/ meth injection!! Dyno didnt happen yet... but maybe next week.. I can see what the water/ meth puts out in 100*'s. I can run on it and OFF.

Just me...............................................

Thumper

Boost water/meth begins way befor air flow cools!!

PS: Minimusprime... sorry about your warning on the Dragon!! It really does sux when we ARENT breaking the law and get hasseled!! I just look at it this way...." how about ALL the times I ran that road with out hassel!! Law of averages is gonna catch up!!" esp with that many cops!! Sorry for your loss!!
Thumper

 

I've blown past that number on the stock ECU with my turbo setup, as has Hubie, Jan, Tuls, Spillman, and everyone else that's blazed more trail than you have. Even John at LDG has gotten slightly higher than that number with his turbo setup! Is John using his dyno wrong too? It's clear you're wrong [again] about your alleged torque limiter.


To answer the OP's question: 250wHP isn't just possible, it's been done many times over. The easiest way is to dump the M45 and go single-turbo.

 

 

I like to see more 250 whp on cars with the m45 on them and outside of just 1 perhaps 2 people that have achieved that. I know Jan is working hard in doing just that and beyond. The question is can we have more and more people reaching that goal without going turbo and or Rotrex, which by the way was the original intention of this thread.

 

Your goal of 250whp is not possible with the assortment of dodads and advice that is generally available here or on any other forum for that matter. Over 300 is easy with a turbo and I've been there and done that but not without the modification of the stock ecu. It's odd that those that say it isn't necessary are also not capable of doing it. I'll give you a clue. To make more power one must first understand the OE's goals and design criteia. We all have ideas of what works on some cars and maybe try that on this one. This is the hit or miss approach that is widely in use in todays after market. As Paul W says, it takes a lot of money and resources to figure this out and develop a solution. Most of the experts here and on other forums work at this on a part time basis out of their homes so there is very little chance that a viable solution will be arrived at from this faction. As I've said before, the whole reason that people looked to other power adders in the beginning was that no one was able to change the intrinsic aspects of the mini's operating system. The fact that we still have today, with all that is known , people talking about tunes "not taking" is an indication of how little people really know about this process. Those of us that have figured this out operate in an environment full of confusion and misinformation that makes it extremely difficult if not impossible to offer advice and solutions to reach these goals.

 

what needs to be said has been said [/thread]

 

Lucky- I don't see how it's impossible to hit the 250 mark. We have had few people within 10-15 whp away from 250 in recent months. That has to be encouraging and with the addition of few newly tunes (like hydra and others in europe that are available or being slowly tested in the US) coming along that will most likely put at least very few at that mark.

I can remember a conversation not too long ago about how 200 was almost out of sight/unattainable and look where that debate went.

 

He never said it was impossible.
What was said was that following the type of advise that frequently shows up online would keep you from getting to 250whp.

 

if you believe in internet myths like the torque limiter I guess you will believe anything

the torque limiter only works on the dsc not on limiting hp/tq of the vehicle when turned off

Myself, Ryphile, Tuls, Hubie, Brian and the other FTR kits have proven time and time again this internet myth of holding a car back is just plain BS

 

I really like the rumor floating around about how a drastic change of parts can make all sorts of massive power gains when there hasn't been any modifications to the parameters running the system. That one always gets me laughing.

 

Well, I think 250whp is possible and for the car to do it over and over again on the dyno, not just one lucky time.
My car did 234whp but soon lost power every pull after that, sometime 20whp each time. This last time I got 227whp with my new Air/water intercooler and the car pulled the same numbers time and time again. I know I can beat the 234whp because now I have larger injectors and replaced my intercooler boots and gained 1.5 to 2psi, the old ones were leaking bad. Also my car is a stage II head not a Big Valve stage III. I'm guessing the stage III is worth 10whp or so.
M

 

I'm interested to see what your mini get's with the new injectors...Isn't there some sort of dyno day going on out there?? I think I Remember Danny talking about one in august.

 

I think it was last week, I was in the Bay area with a friend. We went up for "Dorkfest" it is a gathering for BMW M coupes.
I will make an appointment with Emil and the dyno shop for a Saturday to have my car retuned. I will let you know what happens.
BTW I bet you can't wait to drive your baby with all her new mods.
M

 

you were in bay area and you didn't call me??!!

Where in bay area were you??

 

Over 300 WHP?

Damn thats nice do you have a Dyno graph for that ? I'd love to see the numbers.

 

Anyone interested in the subject of Torque Management and Torque Limiting should purchase a copy of The Society of Automotive Engineers Handbook and refer to page 500 where the discussion and explanations begin. This will explain the design concept and how it applies to ETC ( electronic throttle control) which the Mini has.

 

Sorry buddy, but I drove up there in the M Coupe
We were inHalf Moon Bay, ElSabarte and the City

 

well I guess I'm glad I don't read that...then my HP and Tq might dissapear... LOL

the Stock ECU is AMAZING... evertime any of "us" pushed it beyond what people like you say is unpossible we too were amazed... but it was done long ago... and now it's just easy...

the thing many don't realize is there have been lots people over the years saying it wasn't possible... saddly that was only ever the vendors that were talking trash cause they weren't getting the same results... sometimes if you use a simple idea insted of something over complicated.. it's better..

I may not be a rocket surgen like some of out "engineers" here on NAM... but my STOCK ECU mini is making over 400 HP... DAILY

 

But you're a god.

 

riiiiiight

 

I think there are some word games being played now.

"Stock ECU" seems to mean a bunch of differently things to different people. It appears that to some people it means that they are running the factory ECU with a completely stock program, no updates of any kind. To others it appears it just means the factory ECU is there, but doesn't speak of what software is present.

If a car was setup with a piggyback intercepting and altering the signals sent to the stock ECU it could easily be said that it was running a "stock ECU". However that doesn't exactly speak the whole truth, does it?

The same could be said of someone running with an aftermarket flash. Sure they have the stock ECU but they're running an altered program.

Maybe it's time people come clean about what they are defining "Stock ECU" to be.

 

If everybody thought that way satellites would be falling out of the sky, no wait, they'd never have gotten up there to begin with. You're right, why waste time studying and applying a discipline when it's much easier to make the stuff up as you go along.

 

Imagine that, something that we both agree on