Partsman,

If you need more info you can go to Michiganmini.com and talk with Jan direct. There is a good tread going on over there.

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Oh, now I understand. You are from NJ.

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Ya, I love the making guys question how that little car stayed up with them.

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Great, I will start to look at a date when I get back from my trip.

Longboard

 

I really don't know how many of the cars (Which I think is around 10) have done pre and post dyno results. I posted mine as a way of sharing my results. I'm starting to think I shouldn't have but I did and will continue. Hell, dyno time isn't free but I will continue to pay so you all can see the results.

I was there at both my pre and post dyno's. I was blown away by the numbers. I new what the flow numbers were so I expected better then average results. During my research as to who's head to buy, I looked at as many flow charts as I could find. After doing that my decision was easy.

One thing that I do find funny is how none of the other manufactures show pre and post dyno results for their heads?

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I was just kinda curious as to what the other cars were putting down with different mods.

I don't really need to talk to Jan, we didn't really get along to well when he was posting on here as "miniflop".
No doubt, his head is no joke, but I have a few cylinder head ideas I want to try.

 

I agree, that is very odd.

 

I hope my comment wasn't taken the wrong way and that you're not implying that I'm impolite because of my geographic location. That would be an assumption and leap of faith on par with your HP numbers

Jokes aside (above is a joke, and I'm sure your response was, too), it would be helpful to have rustyboy explain what didn't work then what did. Obviously, it's his to share or not, and I respect his decision either way.

I actually like sorting through what's true and what isn't, and to be perfectly honest, it makes me want to buy none of the heads mentioned in this thread!

mb

 

Marc, you have an available option not far from you, in PA. I won't mention it here, you know how to get a hold of me.

 

Ok guys... this is really getting out of hand. This is my last attempt to steer this thread back on topic before I’m off to another forum with less drama.

Faults…? What faults are you referring to? My only "Vested Interest" has been to not start a firestorm of drama (Like trackster so skillfully started) based on an unrepresentative dyno result when there were unrelated issues with my car. Jan expressed concern about the MTH software from the start, and it's compatibility (Since I was the only one who had it, and he didn't have good results in the past with it). This is why we immediately dynoed the car after the install, to make sure my engine wasn't going to explode over the weekend. I was unable to get the car reflashed before the dyno.

Dyno time isn't free. I've spent well over $300 just in dyno's so far, and it's not for me! It's for everyone on here! I don't care what the numbers are along the way, my car is far from done, all I care about is what the end result is!

What trackster didn't post was that we actually got 212 wHP, after we fixed a problem with my oil logged air filter (M7 DDM Box, which is getting replaced), and repositioned the fan to better cool my baking DFIC. This was with an AF Ratio of somewhere around 9, on the horrible MTH tune I had, and as I said, we suspected a cam timing issue.

Immediately after the dyno, perplexed, we decided to do a leakdown, got about 15%, the valves weren't closing all the way. Pulled the cover, but the timing didn't look off, it was set exactly as it had been when the car first came in. We decided to manually set it with the notches on the crank and timing gear on top to completely rule out the timing at all. After, the leakdown came back at 6%. Obviously SOMETHING was wrong. We also found several bolts on the engine timing cover missing and various other things that looked off.

Nobody has touched my engine (With the exception of Steve's Auto Clinic, but he certainly didn't dismantle the side of it), so any issues have to be from the factory, unless it jumped post install, and a timing cover centering bolt randomly backed out in the mean time. My guess? Bad week at the factory… I don't care who's fault it was/is, it's fixed, and it doesn't matter!

I haven't paid a DIME to either Jan or Danny at MiniCorsa since everything was installed. They've both more than gone out of the way to try and sort out the issues! Danny's come in on the weekend to help sort things out, Jan's made numerous trips from Irvine to the Valley (120 miles round trip). They're both great guys, and I would never do business with anyone else now.

The car has since gotten stronger (Obviously if the leakdown came back better, it's sealing up better, and making more power).

For those looking for completely unbiased *Independent* dyno results, at least one car has been on 4 different dynos, in 2 different states, on completely different days and pulled within 5 wHP every time. How Lucky Dog became the only dyno in the country that's capable of accurately dynoing a car I don't know.

After an initial dyno to compare before and after at Autowave, I’ll be going to 2-3 different dyno's in the area. If that doesn't put all the skepticism to rest, I don't know what will. I have a lot more confidence in some random shop I show up to than I do taking it to a tuner's dyno that works directly with another tuner who's openly knocked Jan's head design, then attempted to purchase one for his own purposes .

Why everyone is so concerned about the magic HP figure I don't know. Anyone who drives in or has driven my car has admitted it drives great. Isn't that what we're all after here? Improving the driving experience? It's all about the end result!

Keep this thread drama free and I’ll stick around, if people are going to speculate and try to shoot down everyone’s dyno’s and driving experiances because they wasted money on something inferior, I’m out of here.

 

I'm not shooting you down, but I do wonder that if you really wanted to be free from drama, why would you accuse someone (DMH) of trying to STEAL Jan's designs?

Why do you publicly make such an unfounded and totally speculative statement?

It's perfectly normal business practice in most any arena to check out competitors' claims, not excluding simply buying a unit, testing it, and if need be, tearing it down.

Happens all the time. It's not stealing, it's not unethical, it's simply normal, and in fact, it's good common sense.

So the drama injected here is yours, regardless of any other claims being bandied about.

 

rustyboy - I think we all appreciate the specific information. I'm not sure where my post had "drama" in it since I said it was interesting to think about what someone would do, not what someone did do. Further, I said it was your decision to share and that I respected the decision either way.

If you have any other problems with my post(s), let's hash it out via pm and leave the thread for information.

mb

 

If you have any other problems with my post(s), let's hash it out via pm and leave the thread for information.

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Thank you for taking the high ground.

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Dang, I guess I'll put the popcorn back on the shelf and save if for another thread.

 

The comment wasn't directed towards you MB, although i'm confused by your previous post saying i'm attempting to cover up some type of problem.

 

It's a bit more involved than simply trying to buy a head. There are no accusations being made at all, I'm mearly passing on what i've been told. He called the head porter directly and asked questions specific to the head design and porting process. That's not really the point though. The slap in the face comes when he spends 28 pages saying the head is garbage and the claims are false, then calls the head porter and tries to get the design specs on it .

Now please, lets just put all this to rest and get the thread back on topic!!! There hasn't been an ounce of information in the last 9 pages of posts, just drama :impatient

 

rustyboy155,

Thanks for your reply.

So in order to reduce the drama quotient, will you issue a public apology to DMH and retract your statement that he was trying to steal Jan's head?

Seems like that would go a long way to getting back on track.

 

I've altered my post to lower the "drama quotient", but I don't feel that I have anything to apologize for, I've made no accusations, merely presented facts for people to interpret how they see fit.

I might add i'm not the only one to have presented these facts.

 

I posted the fact that DMH tried to purchase a head from Jan's porter. I have been in manufacturing for 20 years. Is it normal business practice in the US? Not really. Does it happen, sure it does. Usually from smaller companies who don't have the engineering mussel to compete. In the case of DMH they have Wagner so it doesn't make sense. In China it happens all the time. Is it unethical? Sure it is. Will it continue to happen, you bet.

The drama started when the haters arrived. I started this thread to share. Ask me what head I would recommend and you know what my answer will be. I'm not here to convert anyone nor will I talk BS on other vendors products. I just don't understand the bashing from the two Vendors on this thread other then the fact that Jan is banned from NAM and can not defend himself here.

These two should sign up at Michiganmini.com so they can ask Jan all the questions they want. I here Jan would love to talk to them

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I said it and I won't apologize for Sh#$.

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Wow, I thought progress was being made in calming the rhetoric and you just made a comment that shows who you really are.

Frankly, I had no idea, thinking you might be one of the white hats.

It's amazing how some people will tell you who they really are if you just give them a chance.

 

 

I think Longboard is just frustrated (As am I) at how off topic this thread has gotten with the introduction of DMH and Luckydog... no other tuners have joined this discussion, and they certainly haven't opened other threads to attempt to knock down the head design.

 

 

I never pretend to be something I'm not.

I'm a real sweet heart until I'm pushed to far. Yes, frustration has set in.

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