sorry guys, you are right. My brain has been fried lately because of finals in grad school. Too much studying + not nearly enough sleep means my brain doesn't function as well as I would like it too.

 

that'll do it to ya. . .

I don't think anyones mad at you though, relax, and good luck on your finals. . .

 

ok enough talk, I wanna see some more dyno charts

 

There is one chart with a stock S that says it is putting out about 186 WHP, is this right. If so why does Mini rate the HP so low. I a tech nit wit.

 

Maybe A Stock S/JCW

 

Which chart is that?

 

It was my mistake that chart was a JCW there is a chart for a stock for an S at about 170 WHP. But another question a JCW costs $6000.00 over a stock S but with and these are guess prices $400 for a pulley $400 for CAI and $ 1000 for an exaust you are at the same WHP as a JCW for 3200.00 less. I realize that there is the warrenty issue involved.

 

wrong thread to talk JCW versus other aftermarket, its been tread over a LOT both here and on mini2. Do a search for "crap" and you'll find what I'm talking about. . .

 

"crap" is that an aftermarket term?

 

this is the thread I was talking about. . .

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...light=JCW+crap

long story short, hp/$, JCW ain't the best, but theres more to aftermarket mods than JUST hp. . .

 

...and the lucky ones only spend $3k to get JCW HP!! Some of us spend 3x that and have a great, unique, lovable MINI, but end up on the same straight as the JCW after 10 laps...
Remember, grasshopper, it's the journey, not the destination.

Or not.

 

Why?
For a DMH Motorsports dyno sheet see: http://www.dmhmotorsports.net/DynoSheets.html

 

Well let's see because there are other mods out there and i'm sure people would like to see the results. And I didn't think real racers posted dyno numbers.

 

Dyno Results:
This compares June to now.
RunFile_002: June's run mods: Alta 17%, CAI, Intercooler, MTH, Milltek cat back
RunFile_003: December's mods: Thumper head, Alta 17%, 0% Crank, CAI, Intercooler, JCW ecu and injectors, Megan Header , Random Tech cat, Milltek cat back, Shrick Race cam
Conditions:
RunFile_002: June:103.97F, 30.09 in-Hg, Humidity 9% SAE 1.00
RunFile_003: December: 80.52F, 30.43 in-Hg, Humidity 7%, SAE 0.96
Note that uncorrected was 222whp/186 tq....

 

Dynos are tools to test with; nothing more. Noted on the DMH web site: "Results vary and no valid comparisons can be made from dyno-to-dyno or even day-to-day."
The dyno sheet displayed on the DMH web site is more for the benefit of those interested in what our kits can do rather than individual parts.
I never have made or will make the statement that part X will make Y HP -- there are just too many variables. See: http://www.dmhmotorsports.net/DynoRacing.html

 

Tampa MCS, what is the total cost of your modifications in dollars to get that horsepower?


DMH, what is your cost of your system as shown?

Both are nice charts and what I want to know is what will it cost me to get to this hp rating?

Bill

 

Bill-
Did you read what I wrote? You are comparing apples to oranges when you compare dyno results -- even the delta (though it is more important than the raw number). The most important variable is IAT followed by fuel octane and water temperature. Without that information the numbers are completely useless.
Most prices are listed on the DMH web site.
Don

 

Don I read what you wrote, as you said the hp is meaningless to you. How much do the modifications total up in price to what is shown on the graph. What does each system cost to get a "certain" whatever that may be horsepower. I don't know why giving the price for that kit is so difficult.

Bill

 

$5300: cam,head,header,cat,17%, 0% lw crank,injectors,cat back, intercooler,jcw software, installs...

Good luck on your endevour. I know people who have spent less and made more power, and conversly I have seen people who have paid more and made less...

For example, allblackmini has only a thumper head, 15%,2%, cai, catback without resonator and put down 211whp...

 

When anyone says that a car makes X HP the first question you ought to ask is with what variables. The variables that were present concerning the dyno sheet on the DMH web site are vastly different than all the other dyno sheets/numbers posted on this site. HP is meaningless without context. Has anyone else, other than me, posted that a stock 2003 MCS makes about 145 WHP? Or does the dyno in question read more? It is important to know. How about IAT? Water temp? Fuel octane?

And there is no difficulty at all. Click on the banner below and it will detail some of the costs associated with the 80 WHP gain of the dyno sheet in question. No turbo; no M62 (yet).

 

What's wrong with comparing APPLES to ORANGES????

They both have Seeds.
They're both fruit.
They both have skin.
They both grow on trees.
They are both nutritious.

Some of us like comparing things! We should be encouraging people to post this kind of data! Especially when they are SAE charts

 

I was up to see Eric in September for a few Dyno runs(3) for my 05 MCS. I have a 15% Helix pully, GIAC, CAI and Borla street exhaust. On the third run, the car made 183.9, Torque was down 154.7, second run HP 179.2, torque 155.2, first run 177.3, torque 151.6. I attached a thumbnail, hopefully it'll come thru, if not, the 2nd and 3rd dyno sheets are in my gallery.

 

Actually, the opposite is true. A dyno is an instrument for tuning rather than a means of comparison (your numbers to another’s numbers).

 

Don, you have never been around a Mustang crowd have you

 

dang man, what a buzz kill! why are you trying to kill this thread? I will post up my numbers when I get them. I am switching out my 15% for a 19% and will gladly compare my numbers to anyone else's. If people enjoy seeing what other mini's make then why not let them? so I say to you........shut it.

p.s. your website looks like a 12 year old made it. (get a web-designer, not a for dummies book)