I hope not. Given how long it took to get a 15% map it might be 2008 before it's seen. Seriously, there's probably not going to be enough M62 cars out there to make it woth GIAC's time.

As for the "worth" of the M62 kit, to each his own. I've gotten tons of crap from the local autocrossing community for "ruining" my Mini with the Tk kit. It doesn't stop me from enjoying the hell out of it just about every day. The M62 will still be better than silly stuff like lambo doors or 126 carbon fiber bits or $2000 wheels IMHO.

 

The standalone is probably quite aways away... or quite a bit of money away. The reason why is the drive by wire throttle. That is the biggest hump in the whole deal. If someone wants to switch to a cable accutated throttle arangement... they could have one almost immediately. Currently there aren't any manufacturers of standalones that have drive by wire capability. You must switch to use the system.

The funny thing about this is that no one is really using piggy backs in this community anyways. There are not that many of you guys running fuel controllers such as an AFC. THe "movement" for self tuning in this community seems to be lacking. Everybody seems to want "flashes" and someone to fix there yo yo or flat spot or stumble. Which is quite understandable! It sounds great to just plug in and make more power, or drive smoother. We all bought MINI's because we love driving... Not sitting on a dyno getting it to run properly. AND there is no problem with that. Some people just want to enjoy there cars!

Standalones are alot of work. Very few people on here would even know what to do if they had a standalone on there mini... once they installed it they would have trouble just getting the car to turn over... let alone idle, then idle properly, then accelerate, and deccelerate, and WOT. Going to a standalone is NOT easy. But it will be worth every second spent putting it on the car.

 

That's not cheap by any means but not terribly unreasonable either.
That would be the whole package though. No surprises. No "oh BTW" add ons.

Options are always good

 

How difficult is it to switch the TB...?? Just nuts n bolts or are there lots of codes and sensors and stuff to watch out for? As long as you have a good tuner and a proper install standalones aren't that big of a deal. I had an AEM EMS in my 2G Talon back in the day. I didn't have a clue of what the heck was going on but the fella who installed it did...after a while on the dyno it purrrred and i never had the need for another tune.

Seann

 

The estimate for tuning a stand alone was $20K...... even if that is not realistic 1/4 is out of the question

 

What??? Where did that figure come from?

 

Don't forget a new pedal box if you are replacing the Throttle body: the stock gas pedal is just a potentiometer which is not built to actuate a throttle cable. A stand alone is pretty hard-core. Lots of parts, lots of tuning and some potential issues with BCM integration (DSC control, etc.).

 

I do believe that "Fireball Tim" managed to break in to the 10 sec range with a stock block, crank and head. That is over 500hp!

 

Onasled and Don (precision) both commented on the cost of a full race stand alone system and tune and for some reason that is the number I recall.... I could be remembering wrong.....

 

x2 I also remember the same number from both references

 

Yes but that's just one car. A large number are in the 250+ range with little issues.
FBT and others did use different pistons though when going high boost and high HP.

 

280whp is about the limit of stock pistons. But that number is with a supercharger (M45) attached. So raise that a good bit for no supercharger.

And a decent stand alone should be in the 10k range. Not 20k.

 

Really? Randy is running a stock bottom end with over 300whp. He actually talked me out of doing this with my TC plan.

 

Sounds like a high reading dyno. And I doubt his turbo is flowing that much. Maybe at the crank.

 

Just repeating Don and Onasled ......as I have no interest..... I think they were adding a lot of money for a very detailed in depth tune, which from my experiecnce is not hard to believe.....for a true race car

 

Wow, only 300 hp? :-/

What compression are the MCS cylinders?

 

8.3:1

300 HP is pretty darned good from 1.6 liters. 300HP for 98 cubic inches is not bad at all.

 

Well all you have to do is swap in a piston with a lower ringland and a larger ring gap. The stock ring gap is too tight in my opinion.

 

I couldn't imagine how expensive it would be to double the MCS's horsepower. I could never pay 1,500$ for an exhaust only to gain 5 horse power.

I guess it's like that with every new[er] car. Kinda why i like driving something older, everythings inexpensive.

 

Even your Z will start to get expensive the older it gets and the fewer parts there are around. Hell, how much is a 350 now?

 

It's not that expensive to greatly modify my car. There are a few "z31" fanatics that create early 300zx parts at very nice cost.

With a boost controller, and stock everything else a turbo Z's are able to push 275hp. After that the small 270cc injectors start to go lean.

[bigger] Turbo - Depends where you go - 500-1000$
Intercooler - eBay ~300-400
Full 3" mandrel bent exhaust turbo back - 700$
Cam - 170$
Valve Springs - 200
ECU Tune - 300$
Fuel (pump & injectors) - 3-400$

About 3-400 rwhp with about ~2,000-2,500

I havn't done much to fuel/ecu for reliability reasons (i don't know what i'm doing when it comes to ecu/fuel)

 

Z32's, second gen 300ZX, can go from 300hp to 400hp with about $1500 in mods (intake, reprogramed ecu and exhaust)
I had a 300ZX just before buying the MINI.

 

Sorry I don't understand the reference.

Maybe you're confused with my "you should do new pistons for more power" statement on another thread.
Yes the top land is too narrow and there is room for quench improvements as well.

 

It's also a far more commonly available motor and it definitely isn't 1.6L.

It's 87.5% larger. Quite a bit easier to make more HP on a bigger motor.

 

Google Haltech. $20k is way out of line for a stand alone. I had 1 of these on my 78 911. Yes it took time to get the programing right. Yes you should do the tuning on a dyno.And it passed MA emmissions. But - it can be done.

Electromotive also has a stand alone that has about the same learning curve.

At the time TWM was making throttle bodies for FI which made removing the Bosch Jetronic easy. I still have a couple of thin 40s that were going on my Spitfire ( still may ). This car would be easy because it's a 66 - no emmissions.

The Mini - could be done with few modifications but the tuning might be tuff to pass state emmissions