Drivetrain GRS IC Removed... DFIC Installed (w/ some numbers)
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GRS IC Removed... DFIC Installed (w/ some numbers)
As mentioned in other threads, I think this one most recently (https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...eat+dispersant), I was going to attempt some limited data-logging on the DFIC. I was most interested to see how much boost I'd be losing, given what a couple NAMers have shared previously...
Before:
GRS IC, at 73-76 F, registered max boost of 15 lbs, per AutoMeter gauge which saves the peak. I did this last week, as noted here (https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...3&postcount=18).
After:
DFIC, at 75-78 F, after zeroing the peak on the gauge, also got exactly 15 lbs!
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So, compared to the GRS, there is no delta in max boost; which pleasantly surprised me. I also used my CarChip E/X to log data, and I'll next download that data to see what kind of IAT's I got before, and after. Given the power I felt coming-out of turns here in the canyon, and the tires breaking loose easier, I'm quite certain I'm getting a cooler charge, which one would expect...
I'll report back on some IAT's later...
Before:
GRS IC, at 73-76 F, registered max boost of 15 lbs, per AutoMeter gauge which saves the peak. I did this last week, as noted here (https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...3&postcount=18).
After:
DFIC, at 75-78 F, after zeroing the peak on the gauge, also got exactly 15 lbs!
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So, compared to the GRS, there is no delta in max boost; which pleasantly surprised me. I also used my CarChip E/X to log data, and I'll next download that data to see what kind of IAT's I got before, and after. Given the power I felt coming-out of turns here in the canyon, and the tires breaking loose easier, I'm quite certain I'm getting a cooler charge, which one would expect...
I'll report back on some IAT's later...
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Indeed, cooler....
The max high temp recorded with the GRS was 134.6 F.
The max recorded for the DFIC, 116.6 F.
That's a delta of 18 degrees!
Also, after looking at the plots (charts), the lows were lower for the DFIC. And, as one might guess, this does impact timing adv/retard - which the CarChip E/X captures...
Keep-in-mind that this is not in comparison to stock, but the GRS. And, for those who don't know, my GRS wasn't just any GRS, but an "improved" one where I made some modifications; one of which the manufacturer incorporated into the current addtion. This thread talks about these changes:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...t=GRS+diverter
The added lip on the back of the GRS helps much in containing the incoming ambient air. And the diverter helps direct some of that air toward the front, which was previously underutilized. AND, I had the M7 Extreme scoop to shove-in more air! With Dr O's help, the scoop was shown to make a noteworthy difference:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ta-logging+fun
I'm currently typing on my work laptop, while sitting near my home pc where I'm still looking at the data... I just noticed that the peak IATs for the DFIC happen at WOT, but lower speeds, and with the GRS, at WOT, but at the max speed for that burst. I think this is pretty telling of the benefits of the DFIC!
I can't wait until Matt has a chance to do this!
The max high temp recorded with the GRS was 134.6 F.
The max recorded for the DFIC, 116.6 F.
That's a delta of 18 degrees!
Also, after looking at the plots (charts), the lows were lower for the DFIC. And, as one might guess, this does impact timing adv/retard - which the CarChip E/X captures...
Keep-in-mind that this is not in comparison to stock, but the GRS. And, for those who don't know, my GRS wasn't just any GRS, but an "improved" one where I made some modifications; one of which the manufacturer incorporated into the current addtion. This thread talks about these changes:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...t=GRS+diverter
The added lip on the back of the GRS helps much in containing the incoming ambient air. And the diverter helps direct some of that air toward the front, which was previously underutilized. AND, I had the M7 Extreme scoop to shove-in more air! With Dr O's help, the scoop was shown to make a noteworthy difference:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ta-logging+fun
I'm currently typing on my work laptop, while sitting near my home pc where I'm still looking at the data... I just noticed that the peak IATs for the DFIC happen at WOT, but lower speeds, and with the GRS, at WOT, but at the max speed for that burst. I think this is pretty telling of the benefits of the DFIC!
I can't wait until Matt has a chance to do this!
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Originally Posted by TonyB
Indeed, cooler....
The max high temp recorded with the GRS was 134.6 F.
The max recorded for the DFIC, 116.6 F.
That's a delta of 18 degrees!
Also, after looking at the plots (charts), the lows were lower for the DFIC. And, as one might guess, this does impact timing adv/retard - which the CarChip E/X captures...
Keep-in-mind that this is not in comparison to stock, but the GRS. And, for those who don't know, my GRS wasn't just any GRS, but an "improved" one where I made some modifications; one of which the manufacturer incorporated into the current addtion. This thread talks about these changes:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...t=GRS+diverter
The added lip on the back of the GRS helps much in containing the incoming ambient air. And the diverter helps direct some of that air toward the front, which was previously underutilized. AND, I had the M7 Extreme scoop to shove-in more air! With Dr O's help, the scoop was shown to make a noteworthy difference:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ta-logging+fun
I'm currently typing on my work laptop, while sitting near my home pc where I'm still looking at the data... I just noticed that the peak IATs for the DFIC happen at WOT, but lower speeds, and with the GRS, at WOT, but at the max speed for that burst. I think this is pretty telling of the benefits of the DFIC!
I can't wait until Matt has a chance to do this!
The max high temp recorded with the GRS was 134.6 F.
The max recorded for the DFIC, 116.6 F.
That's a delta of 18 degrees!
Also, after looking at the plots (charts), the lows were lower for the DFIC. And, as one might guess, this does impact timing adv/retard - which the CarChip E/X captures...
Keep-in-mind that this is not in comparison to stock, but the GRS. And, for those who don't know, my GRS wasn't just any GRS, but an "improved" one where I made some modifications; one of which the manufacturer incorporated into the current addtion. This thread talks about these changes:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...t=GRS+diverter
The added lip on the back of the GRS helps much in containing the incoming ambient air. And the diverter helps direct some of that air toward the front, which was previously underutilized. AND, I had the M7 Extreme scoop to shove-in more air! With Dr O's help, the scoop was shown to make a noteworthy difference:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ta-logging+fun
I'm currently typing on my work laptop, while sitting near my home pc where I'm still looking at the data... I just noticed that the peak IATs for the DFIC happen at WOT, but lower speeds, and with the GRS, at WOT, but at the max speed for that burst. I think this is pretty telling of the benefits of the DFIC!
I can't wait until Matt has a chance to do this!
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Sure is great for M7 to have TonyB doing all this solid marketing for them! 
I like how you did the test. The change is only the IC. Numbers before and after. Even I can understand that.
Nice work TonyB!
I like how you did the test. The change is only the IC. Numbers before and after. Even I can understand that.
Nice work TonyB!
Tony doesn't have a stock IC on his car..
Originally Posted by Larry Clemens
What are the numbers on the stock IC?
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Bob, indeed, it is very gratifying. It's amazing that these creative juices stemmed from the above testing and GRS mods.
As I shared a few threads back, it all sort of hit me while in the shower where the typical 10 minute routine became 30 minutes... as the shower door became my scratch pad as I brain-dumped the first conceptual ideas of the DFIC. Once convinced, and with towel around waist, I bolted to the living room floor where I proceeded to draw pictures like a mad man. My wife was looking at me strangely, as you might guess. She then became dumbfouned when I started dismantling cardboard boxes to give some shape to what had possessed me
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Oddly enough, the final cardboard creation had M7 on it, literally; as I had used a box for his Extreme Scoop. Shortly thereafter, I was PM'ing Peter and chatting with him on the phone. He too liked the idea, and not only brought it to life, but of course evolved it as well, always including me. And true to his promise, he acknowledged my contributions in public, and also on the DFIC itself with a "TB" on the end tanks. Pretty cool feeling to see an idea become so much more...
Given my involvement with the DFIC, and growing relationship with Peter, I totally understand those who might view my opinions and results with caution. That's natural, and I would expect that actually. The simple truth is that if the DFIC didn't produce a performance gain over my GRS / Extreme Scoop set-up, it would not remain on my MCS. The DFIC truly seems to be a winner. I only use "seems" because my data-logging, while in favor of the DFIC, was not ideal with 5 second sampling. I recognize that...
I can't wait until I can get this: http://www.autoenginuity.com/index.html
It works on pocket pcs (Windows PDAs)...
A good weekend to everyone! Next weekend is the Monterey Historics. I'll be hangin' in the M7 tent, along with my MCS, probably dirty though
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As I shared a few threads back, it all sort of hit me while in the shower where the typical 10 minute routine became 30 minutes... as the shower door became my scratch pad as I brain-dumped the first conceptual ideas of the DFIC. Once convinced, and with towel around waist, I bolted to the living room floor where I proceeded to draw pictures like a mad man. My wife was looking at me strangely, as you might guess. She then became dumbfouned when I started dismantling cardboard boxes to give some shape to what had possessed me
.Oddly enough, the final cardboard creation had M7 on it, literally; as I had used a box for his Extreme Scoop. Shortly thereafter, I was PM'ing Peter and chatting with him on the phone. He too liked the idea, and not only brought it to life, but of course evolved it as well, always including me. And true to his promise, he acknowledged my contributions in public, and also on the DFIC itself with a "TB" on the end tanks. Pretty cool feeling to see an idea become so much more...
Given my involvement with the DFIC, and growing relationship with Peter, I totally understand those who might view my opinions and results with caution. That's natural, and I would expect that actually. The simple truth is that if the DFIC didn't produce a performance gain over my GRS / Extreme Scoop set-up, it would not remain on my MCS. The DFIC truly seems to be a winner. I only use "seems" because my data-logging, while in favor of the DFIC, was not ideal with 5 second sampling. I recognize that...
I can't wait until I can get this: http://www.autoenginuity.com/index.html
It works on pocket pcs (Windows PDAs)...
A good weekend to everyone! Next weekend is the Monterey Historics. I'll be hangin' in the M7 tent, along with my MCS, probably dirty though
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Sheeze Tony....
don't get out to car functions much? USe on-line yellow pages to find the car washes (self serve gun, not drive through) to get the road dirt off the car from the drive. Take the bottle of "quick detailer" and some soft rags to the car right before the event starts.... Geeze you guys with real jobs just don't get it!
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Bingo! That's a good idea. I'll check for such a car wash between my home and Laguna Seca. I would pay someone to help teach me to detail my car... I bought some nice stuff to do so, but maybe need some hand-holding.
Oh, my GRS and Extreme Scoop will in the Marketplace soon - after I clean them up a bit...
Oh, my GRS and Extreme Scoop will in the Marketplace soon - after I clean them up a bit...
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Just shampoo the car, then claybar it, dry with a microfibre towel, then polish, then wax, then wax once or twice more, depends on how much elbow grease you have lying around, and how long you want the shine to last.....
easy peasy, just time consuming. shampoo gets the usual crap off, claybar gets the crap that bonds to your paint and can't be removed with shampoo. Polish will get rid of swirls and bring out the shine/lustre/whatever, and wax will work with the polish to give a deep gloss, but most importantly will provide protection to your freshly cleaned surface. Your car will look as good as when you first bought it
easy peasy, just time consuming. shampoo gets the usual crap off, claybar gets the crap that bonds to your paint and can't be removed with shampoo. Polish will get rid of swirls and bring out the shine/lustre/whatever, and wax will work with the polish to give a deep gloss, but most importantly will provide protection to your freshly cleaned surface. Your car will look as good as when you first bought it
Originally Posted by TonyB
Bob, indeed, it is very gratifying. It's amazing that these creative juices stemmed from the above testing and GRS mods.
As I shared a few threads back, it all sort of hit me while in the shower where the typical 10 minute routine became 30 minutes... as the shower door became my scratch pad as I brain-dumped the first conceptual ideas of the DFIC. Once convinced, and with towel around waist, I bolted to the living room floor where I proceeded to draw pictures like a mad man. My wife was looking at me strangely, as you might guess. She then became dumbfouned when I started dismantling cardboard boxes to give some shape to what had possessed me.
Oddly enough, the final cardboard creation had M7 on it, literally; as I had used a box for his Extreme Scoop. Shortly thereafter, I was PM'ing Peter and chatting with him on the phone. He too liked the idea, and not only brought it to life, but of course evolved it as well, always including me. And true to his promise, he acknowledged my contributions in public, and also on the DFIC itself with a "TB" on the end tanks. Pretty cool feeling to see an idea become so much more...
Given my involvement with the DFIC, and growing relationship with Peter, I totally understand those who might view my opinions and results with caution. That's natural, and I would expect that actually. The simple truth is that if the DFIC didn't produce a performance gain over my GRS / Extreme Scoop set-up, it would not remain on my MCS. The DFIC truly seems to be a winner. I only use "seems" because my data-logging, while in favor of the DFIC, was not ideal with 5 second sampling. I recognize that...
I can't wait until I can get this: http://www.autoenginuity.com/index.html
It works on pocket pcs (Windows PDAs)...
A good weekend to everyone! Next weekend is the Monterey Historics. I'll be hangin' in the M7 tent, along with my MCS, probably dirty though .
As I shared a few threads back, it all sort of hit me while in the shower where the typical 10 minute routine became 30 minutes... as the shower door became my scratch pad as I brain-dumped the first conceptual ideas of the DFIC. Once convinced, and with towel around waist, I bolted to the living room floor where I proceeded to draw pictures like a mad man. My wife was looking at me strangely, as you might guess. She then became dumbfouned when I started dismantling cardboard boxes to give some shape to what had possessed me
.Oddly enough, the final cardboard creation had M7 on it, literally; as I had used a box for his Extreme Scoop. Shortly thereafter, I was PM'ing Peter and chatting with him on the phone. He too liked the idea, and not only brought it to life, but of course evolved it as well, always including me. And true to his promise, he acknowledged my contributions in public, and also on the DFIC itself with a "TB" on the end tanks. Pretty cool feeling to see an idea become so much more...
Given my involvement with the DFIC, and growing relationship with Peter, I totally understand those who might view my opinions and results with caution. That's natural, and I would expect that actually. The simple truth is that if the DFIC didn't produce a performance gain over my GRS / Extreme Scoop set-up, it would not remain on my MCS. The DFIC truly seems to be a winner. I only use "seems" because my data-logging, while in favor of the DFIC, was not ideal with 5 second sampling. I recognize that...
I can't wait until I can get this: http://www.autoenginuity.com/index.html
It works on pocket pcs (Windows PDAs)...
A good weekend to everyone! Next weekend is the Monterey Historics. I'll be hangin' in the M7 tent, along with my MCS, probably dirty though
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Thanks ingsoc! I don't think I've seen you post in quite some time...
Just like I refined the GRS, I'm going to do a couple or so things to this baby as well... I'll do some more data-logging to see how much it helps.
I'll include some installed photos later, tomorrow if I can make the time.
Just like I refined the GRS, I'm going to do a couple or so things to this baby as well... I'll do some more data-logging to see how much it helps.
I'll include some installed photos later, tomorrow if I can make the time.
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Originally Posted by TonyB
Thanks ingsoc! I don't think I've seen you post in quite some time...
Just like I refined the GRS, I'm going to do a couple or so things to this baby as well... I'll do some more data-logging to see how much it helps.
I'll include some installed photos later, tomorrow if I can make the time.
Just like I refined the GRS, I'm going to do a couple or so things to this baby as well... I'll do some more data-logging to see how much it helps.
I'll include some installed photos later, tomorrow if I can make the time.
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Originally Posted by TonyB
And true to his promise, he acknowledged my contributions in public, and also on the DFIC itself with a "TB" on the end tanks.
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Just got home from a rather long day, but some excellent barbecue!
I'll try to snap some photos during the week. Worst case scenario, I'll do so at Monterey next weekend... The temp coming home was 62 F, and the car, with my wife, hauled some butt and the red AutoMeter boost light came-on meaning that I hit/surpassed 15 psi. She wasn't particularly pleased though .
I'll try to snap some photos during the week. Worst case scenario, I'll do so at Monterey next weekend... The temp coming home was 62 F, and the car, with my wife, hauled some butt and the red AutoMeter boost light came-on meaning that I hit/surpassed 15 psi. She wasn't particularly pleased though
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