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Drivetrain I just don't get the NO2 thing

Old Jan 30, 2006 | 04:45 AM
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as i wrote in a thread i started about tc and wot. i would love to go turbo, but i am nervous about running my car wot for 30 mins with the turbo. nitrous on the other hand can be shut off for this kind of driving, but when you want all out acceleration you turn on the bottle. i see guys shooting 75-100, i think a 40-50 shot on a mod car would give a nice boost fairly safe. correct me if i am wrong but i have been told a 10lb bottle is good for about 30-40 shots at 40hp. i want to see more history of tc cars on the track, and where the cut off on reliable power. tuls and maximus have logged alot of miles and i think they will be able to give the most accurate info on does and don'ts with tc. if the little 1.6 can handle the tc at 250whp for 30 mins wot, i will be tc by fall.

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The Turbokompressor setup comes with a controllable wastegate that allows for variable boost/hp levels.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2006 | 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by SpiderX
I had "green tea" tonight, does that count? I started this thread saying "I didn't get it" I think I get it better and have more understanding and respect now......
My comments were not meant to be directed at you Bob I understood why you posed the question...I was just ranting (regretably, a little too loud) against the general hostility towards a perfectly good technology. Pardon my manners
 
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Old Jan 30, 2006 | 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by MSFITOY
My comments were not meant to be directed at you Bob I understood why you posed the question...I was just ranting (maybe a little too much) towards the general hostility towards a perfectly good technology that few understand.
What, me sensitive....... I did read your write up that you posted...... I had no idea....... I'm looking forward to seeing you and MSFITOY at the Dragon...... does this mean I have to wash the "Spider"?
 
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Old Jan 30, 2006 | 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SpiderX
What, me sensitive....... I did read your write up that you posted...... I had no idea....... I'm looking forward to seeing you and MSFITOY at the Dragon...... does this mean I have to wash the "Spider"?
But of course We'll be there from the 4-1 to 5-7. I'm not making the mistake of forgetting my wash kit this time...
 
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Old Jan 30, 2006 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Veni_Vidi_Vici
The Turbokompressor setup comes with a controllable wastegate that allows for variable boost/hp levels.
Doesn't matter if it doesn't allow for a way to quickly and accurately change the tune each time you change the boost level.

Boost controllers are probalby the single biggest cause of turbo engine damage... the nut behind the wheel just can't control himself.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2006 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by JeffS
Doesn't matter if it doesn't allow for a way to quickly and accurately change the tune each time you change the boost level.

Boost controllers are probalby the single biggest cause of turbo engine damage... the nut behind the wheel just can't control himself.
I have witnessed this multiple times. Some people have no self control. However it is fun to watch. I was recently riding along in my friends sr20det 240sx and his boost controller some how malfunctioned. The turbo shattered in to many pieces.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2006 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JeffS
Doesn't matter if it doesn't allow for a way to quickly and accurately change the tune each time you change the boost level.

Boost controllers are probalby the single biggest cause of turbo engine damage... the nut behind the wheel just can't control himself.
Same reason how people blow up their motor with Nitrous...
 
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Old Jan 30, 2006 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MSFITOY
Same reason how people blow up their motor with Nitrous...
Hey now we are almost using the same size shot. You have a 60 and I have a 75... However I have yet to see a venom kit produce the horsepower they are rated at.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2006 | 12:36 PM
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Hey now we are almost using the same size shot. You have a 60 and I have a 75... However I have yet to see a venom kit produce the horsepower they are rated at.
What color is your jet?
 
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Old Jan 30, 2006 | 12:53 PM
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Well, my kit was installed by a well known tuner in Montreal. I had a bad experience with NO2, but maybe I should have been more careful and not trust that "special juice".

I learned a lesson with that : Cheap power is not a reliabel way to go.

I'd rather have less power, but constant and reliable, than use the "blue bottle" (NO2).
 
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Old Jan 30, 2006 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MSFITOY
What color is your jet?
It's brass colored... I am using a nitrous express kit. They differ by the jet numbers.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2006 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by spillman
It's brass colored... I am using a nitrous express kit. They differ by the jet numbers.
Oh...I thought you had Venom. I'm not sure what you meant by your previous statement about Venom not making the hp then. They don't use hp shot numbers that I know of. I calculated the hp based on the jet's orifice diameter by using other N2O manufacturer's calculator. Accordingly, my green jet is suppose to be equivalent to 60hp with 950psi but it feels more like 80
 
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Old Jan 30, 2006 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkMiniCooperS
Well, my kit was installed by a well known tuner in Montreal. I had a bad experience with NO2, but maybe I should have been more careful and not trust that "special juice".

I learned a lesson with that : Cheap power is not a reliabel way to go.

I'd rather have less power, but constant and reliable, than use the "blue bottle" (NO2).
should of used N20 AND NOT N02. FUNNY THE GERMANS USED IT IN AIRPLANES WITH GOOD RESULTS. I THINK YOU SHOULD LOOK AT BUYING A V8 WITH 400HP AND DON'T MESS WITH IT!!! JUST DRIVE IT AND ENJOY. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THIS IS A 1.6 LITER MOTOR AND IF YOU WANT BIG POWER YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THE PHYSICS AND AT LEAST UNDERSTAND FUEL/ AIR MONITORING. THIS LITTLE MOTOR PUTS OUT AMAZING POWER TO DISP. EVEN STOCK. NOW YOU WANT MORE, THINK OF A 1 LITER MOTORCYCLE, IT MAKES ABOUT 150HP, ADD ANOTHER 600'cc and you have about 230hp. this is from a race bike that is street legal. one more scenero, a 5.7l v8@400hp is 70hp per 100cc's. a 1.6l inline 4@168hp is 105hp per 100cc's. get this power out of a v8 and you will have 600hp. how much would it cost to buy this car? if you can afford it you should not be messing with a cooper. people here are trying to get the most from a great little car that the average guy can afford, these people are setting the guide lines for what works and is fairly dependable, please only slam what you know are the facts or at least read and find out what may have caused your unfortunate mishap. please don't take this as a bash personally, just trying to give you a different view.

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Old Jan 30, 2006 | 09:14 PM
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Cheap power is nirvana!

if it's done dependably. It's not the cost, it's the implementation that counts.

Want some fast power? Just disconnect the knock sensor! That'll keep the ignition advanced...
Just don't ask your motor to last too long, and don't floor it on hot days...

Slap on a turbo, and leave the stock injectors in place... I wonder how close to red-line that would get.....

Or slap on some nitrous, without proper engine management.

All of em will make power, some for longer than others, but none of these would be dependable....

Matt

ps, there's a guy in my Mustang club that has twin turbos on a 5.0. Home built kit, guys a good engineer. Not much boost, and he's pushing over 500 hp with the stock computer. EFI really can be nice, if treated right. FYI, the heads need work to hold that, but the 5.0 bottom end is pretty stout. Much above that and you have to beef it up.
 
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Old Jan 31, 2006 | 08:23 PM
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Run whatcha brung. Who cares, as long as it makes it go fastar. There's nothing wrong with spray. Of course, slapping on a 100 shot on a MCS with no engine management isn't going to give you good results.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Hyper!!!Blue!!!
Run whatcha brung. Who cares, as long as it makes it go fastar. There's nothing wrong with spray. Of course, slapping on a 100 shot on a MCS with no engine management isn't going to give you good results.
Ahmen

Cheating huh? I'll show you cheating...watch out when I strap a few of these JATO units to the Mini

 
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 11:27 AM
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isn't the jet-dia/hp linked to engine size? so a 75 in a 1.6 liter might only produce 60hp in 2 liter?
 
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jlm
isn't the jet-dia/hp linked to engine size? so a 75 in a 1.6 liter might only produce 60hp in 2 liter?
That's not true. If you look at a NX jet chart a 50 hp for a BMW 1.8L uses the same jets for a 50 hp shot in a BMW 5.4L

http://www.nitrousexpress.com/Instru...ortjetting.pdf
 
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 03:54 PM
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Look...I don't know about any other mods but when the Nitrous is armed and the go pedal is flattened, it sure the hell feels like another motor kicked in...cheating or not
 
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MSFITOY
Same reason how people blow up their motor with Nitrous...
Hey! You talkin' 'bout me?
 
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Bisch
Hey! You talkin' 'bout me?
Oh... thanks for reminding me
 
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 07:24 PM
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BTW, there have been progressive controllers like the Nitrous Mastermind for over a decade now to "modulate" nitrous. Fully programmable to soften the "hit" of activation, progressively ramp up flow rate with RPM, retard timing with flow, and kill flow with fuel pressure drop for safety.

Cialis doesn't give you a stiffy for 36 hours, it's like an arming switch but the go button is still between your ears. And corticosteroids are not the same as anabolic steroids. Sheesh.
 
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 07:28 PM
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Cialis doesn't give you a stiffy for 36 hours, it's like an arming switch but the go button is still between your ears.
Now I get it...why didn't they just say that in their commercials
 
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 07:51 PM
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As I understand it, the FDA prohibits even mentioning what the product is for without also explaining all the warnings and risks that are on the box insert. Same goes for magazine ads, which is why the ones that mention use are half legalese in very small print.

That's why we end up with so many commercials where people are just smiling and running through fields in slo-mo for some unmentioned reason

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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BFG9000
As I understand it, the FDA prohibits even mentioning what the product is for without also explaining all the warnings and risks that are on the box insert. Same goes for magazine ads, which is why the ones that mention use are half legalese in very small print.

That's why we end up with so many commercials where people are just smiling and running through fields in slo-mo for some unmentioned reason
I was just trying to imagine a Mini commercial done that way...
 
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