Not sure of that argument. This might be out of context but by extension, MINI doesn't make pulleys more than 14.3% JCW, so why do people add up to 19? MINI sells mostly lead weights as wheels, why dont they sell lightweight ones? MINI doesnt sell TBs greater than stock, etc. etc. etc. Could it be that MINI is telling you something? But, I see VERY few failures of those parts.

I'm not saying your right or wrong, only that many of the things MINI SELLS as being right for their cars, people immediately change. I'm pretty sure going to lighter wheels isnt going to hurt much of anything. Why dont they sell them?

 

Unless anyone on here can prove that this has happened to a MINI, you really shouldn't post, you are just confirming to everyone that YOU don't know talking about, not the vendor who sells them. I am inviting Randy Webb and Ryephile to view this, I want there input. Just a hint though read THIS again, and if there was any problem with any MINI after a certain mileage, wouldn't you think these guys wouldn't sell them? Rick could have said it smoother, but all in all he brought up a good point. BUT YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER ANY MOD NOT MINI APPROVED COULD DO THIS TO YOUR CAR, SO GET JCW AND DON"T COMPLAIN!:smile:

 

WOW, I just went Ryephile!
Sorry let me edit that and repost, I forgot to take my tranquilizers today!

 

So my challenge to you guys is:
Prove this, non-theoretically or give me an example of this happening in any car with a tritec motor.
If you do I will give my kindness and vote of confidence.

 

Good one I think we got a new NAMism

 

Yea just like JCW "Crap."
Oh and they just got

 

Ive had one on my car now for 6500 miles. Not much but it is a start. Of course I sell the damn things so you won't take this info with a grain of salt but it is my honest gut feeling.

Pluses .

Quicker acceleration.
Able to pull higher gear on my favorite test " track ".
Quicker throttle responce.
About 1 lb more boost according to my gage.

Minus

Laying in bed at night wondering if my motor is going to explode.

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

Finally someone who knows what they are talking about! Well according to me you are anyway!

 

Is that truly what keeps you up at night, Randy? Stupid me, I thought it was the "Toe Hook."

 

No I went thru the Toe Hook twelve step program and I am taking it one day at a time now . So far so good.

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

i dont think anything really worries him about his car.

if the motor blows up, i'm sure theres a new 2.2L stroker going in.

 

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a little out of context and thank you for recognizing that... Im just saying that if they were 110% confident that it didn't need one it wouldn't have one. Someone did a design study and determined that it is or is possibly nessecary to have a dampned unit.

I mean afterall so far so good... no one has lost a motor due to this mod on a MINI. And i really do hope it doesn't happen. Im just saying for the risk... the labor and the minimal gain... i wouldn't do one... but i won't criticize those who do put them on... its their MOTOR not mine, and its THEIR CHOICE

as far as why mini didn't go up to 19% (another arguement in itself) vs factory and the JCW pulley at 14.3%. is mainly due to warranty and horrible fuel here. Cars with 19% pulleys here in AZ with horrible fuel an lower ocatane than many places will most likely ping and detonate and other nasty stuff... Not a great thing to have on a production carMINI/JCW has/should build cars and performance products that are dead reliable with the BIGGEST IDIOTS IN THE WORLD DRIVING THE CAR. They must simply prepare for the worst. They have to make sure that the car will survive all of the idiots and bad gas (including runing 87 octane vs. 91 +)that could be thrown at the car for warranty reasons, image reasons, and money (relating to warranty) Same thing with the boat anchor wheels. ITs not that NAMers are more inteligent than the engineers that originally built the car... believe me they KNOW that less unsprung weight and recipocating the better! But i am sure they have a reason as to why we have such heavy stock wheels. Cost? Durability of the wheel when it hits a grand canyon sized pot hole in the middle of a michigan road? both? wheel design? i mean... the people who designed the cars aren't newbies to engineering... they know what they are doing... sometimes though the bean counters get in the way... sometimes they have to plan for absolute morons to do the unthinkable to the car... but chows4us... i do understand your point of view... I think JCW could be way more aggressive but i think that they refrai from crazy stuff so that they could keep the warranty claims in control

and i don't know if the comment of chilicooperS was directed at me about proving a catostophic engine failure... im not saying it definetly will happen to your mini if you do this mod... im just saying that it maybe a risk... only time will tell! Hopefully nothing happens!

 

let me jus say to u that if & only if this Ryephile guy wrote this to u then that sux i dont see this as being necessary at all, & sheit like this should not be tolerated but it seems like theres a whole lot of politics on this Forum and that sux too but w/out it this Forum would not even be up & runnin'
peeps on here need to learn to respect to get respect....u wont get any here if i see U come off like this in this manner!!!!!

one more thin' :O{ i cant believe this d0od gets away w/this crap i type sum what different then sum of u here and i get chewed out but sumthin' like this happens & people put up w/it......sheit!?!?!?

now back on topic :0)
i dont run one of these mods yet, jus dont know enough about it No One Knows i dont care how long its been on ur car u still dont know its all a matter of time b4 we all find out what a mod like this can F'up......
so i stand on the porch waitin' for IT to hit the fan!!! i will wait till enough guinea-pig's have tested this b4 i leap..
but dont get me wrong, im sure it might be ok & i do want to do it meself but its jus not worth the little gains u get for the magnitude of damage this could create!

plus theres a slew of other mods to be done w/greater gains / lower liability....

 

Yea this is sorta what I do, I guess.

No it wasn't at all. It was just me blowing off steam on this thread. I just really get tired of people who think they can do better than those whose job it is to run a MINI performance enhancing business. I can see where they are coming from. It's like say you are an executive at a fortune 500 company and you walk by and as you get into your Ferrari and some hot dog vendor starts telling you how you should run your business. It's ridiculous. It was not directed at anyone. My point is if there was indeed proof early on say in the first 50k miles that this thing was detrimental to test cars, I highly doubt they would sell them, Mr. Webb and M7 especially. They are not out to screw us. They would rather have cars that are slightly slower than those that are wicked fast and blow up after 10k. I plan on getting one of these things, which one I'm not sure yet. I'm sure it can't be too hard to fabricate a vibration dampener can it?

Again I apologize if anyone took my comments the wrong way.

Thanks

Mike

 

something to consider is that I have yet to see a total machine shop style engine build by any of the vendors vending the lightweight crank pullies. By that I mean bearing fitting, crank grinding and balancing, block machining, ring fitting, etc. The guys that do this kind of work are in a good postion to comment on lower end integrity. So far, in this context, the only reports back from lightweight pulley users have been that they didn't detect any excessive vibrations and that their engines haven't blown up; good to hear, but hardly definitive. On the other hand, its only a car, right?

 

Poor, poor you. Gotta pour one for the homie.

 

Peter at M7 has a little project in the works... ask him about it.

 

Well said it is after all " only a car '". You can sit on the porch and let the fun go by or take a chance and deal with it if need be . It was very much the same way when the 19% pulley debate was going on and to some degree still is. There are better ways now to get the same effects as a single 19% pulley but there have been no reports of mass break downs. A few here and there but nothing " definitive " . We were dead set against the lightweight crank pulley when we first looked into it but upon further review went over to the " dark side " . If I was still concerned I would not have put it on my car trust me

Randy
M7 Tuning

Randy
m7 Tuning

 

Andy and jlm and OldRick must be right. Everyone that runs a light crank pulley will have their cars explode in a fireball instantly. Isn't that right guys?


What are the haters going to say once there's MCS's out there with 100k+ miles and a light crank pulley? "ohh, well, um....it's going to detonate any minute now, I just know it, that one article said so!" Sheesh.






or...they just can't fathom being wrong

 

I think I'm gonna enjoy those 100k miles . Mine's going on this Friday, my day off class. I'll report back in 8 years when my engine seizes. . I swear. Of course, by that point, I'll be a good 2 or 3 builds ahead of some of the less fortunate twincharged cars... . Danger, as with everything, is relative...

 

there is one person on here that has stated they have sum excessive vibration.....

 

"What are the haters going to say...


i think it is obvious who is spewing hate.

 

Minus
Worry if the mods to my car will cause my car's Auto tranny to go bust. But I weighed the issue before I started to mod my car with aftermarket parts

 

Actually, that's all I used to do with the Porsche stuff (and fabricate cages). We are in the middle of a MINI build right now, and there are others who I'm involved with who have done the same.

The rest isn't aimed at jlm...

This is really a silly thread. My approach from now on on these arguments from folks who have ZERO testing or experience with the matter at hand is simply put up or shut up. If you have evidence that is contrary to the testing I have done and the information I have gathered, show it. Otherwise, zip it. If it isn't on a MINI it obviously is a different data set.

The Neon guys are good data - thanks for the input. The BMW sixes are not, period. I didn't invent physics.

Hope that helps!
Randy

 

im far from it,
why would I hate? im in it to win it, but have sum reservations & will not try such a mod till i see more & more peeps out there doing this w/no issues! (guinea-pigs)
....=o(......if that sounds like im hatin' ur not sure of the werd hate my friend!!!!
...
i totaly see where Randy is comin' from
( evidence )SO BE IT!!