All you CA people need to either grasp reality or move. Every time a thread pops up about a small company creating a new product all the CARB people come out.

Speaking for the rest of the country, I certainly have no desire to pay more for a product just so you can get your sticker. I would, however, be thrilled to see the company get the CARB testing, then sell the stickers to the CA people for a percentage of the testing costs.

Of course, noone would think of paying more for a sticker, but you'd gladly allow the rest of us to subsidize one for you.

 

The cost for decent parts for this car is going to drive me to stay stock....

$2000 intercoolers, $6000 turbo "kits"... it's all rediculous. I thought the price per HP in the honda market was high, but this is just insane.

 

Are you always so pissy and winny?

 

Honestly, I would pay more for parts with a CARB certification. I would end up saving money in the end as I wouldn't have to switch the parts back out at emissions testing time.

 

Maybe he's in the process of grasping reality... cut him some slack

 

Right, it's great for CA residents. But what Jeffs is saying is that it costs a lot for a company to get a part CARB certified and that the cost gets passed on to non-CA residents as well. This is something that bothers him more than a little. Gotta admit he has a point.

 

That's what I'm saying. I would be glad to pay more than someone who lives outside California so that the part I receive includes a CARB sticker. With the size of the California market, that might actually be viable. I'm agreeing with both of you.

 

these guys have been tuning beemers for a long time now....

i met and have hung out with Gintani's finest.

i cant wait to see the finished product!

 

Perhaps the costs will rise even further if we asked for two certifications from each manufacturer? CARB is more stringent. Qualifying for CARB make actually make more fiscal sense. Less paper work, one authoritative body.

Imagine this; oops! we sent a batch of non-CARB units to CA folks and non of them passed their emissions test. funnier things have happend. Or, sorry, you got a CARB 'thing'. Sorry it doesn't perform with your 93 octane gas.

 

you have also got my attention! I like how it is much cleaner under the hood and if there are good power gains it could be very temting

 

Then again, the costs of development get defrayed by the number of CA purchasers. CA does have more dealers than any other State, and we IMPORT many from out of State. Who knows what the total number is, but it's likely that the extra cost for CARB is offset by the extra volume in CA that makes the business plan possible.

Otherwise, intelligent business people would just ignore the CA market and blow off CARB altogether.

That said, I think CARB is ridiculous in requiring that something like a header pipe must have an exemption. If a car doesn't fail SMOG levels out of the tailpipe, it should pass, Period.

 

Agreed. But, then the California Air Resources Board wouldn't make so much money!

 

Here, I started a thread on the CARB subject:

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=45134

Back to the IC, do you know if it uses Laminova cores or something different? I like that it does not simply use a shrouded A/A setup like some of the other water-air IC's.

 

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=52385

 

That's why I asked if it's a CA company. If they are interested in selling to follks in their own state (also the one with the most MINI's), it would behoove them to think of such.

The cost of CARB obtainment, given a typical profit margin, would be paid for with the sale of just a few of these items. Selling several fold more than those few "sacrificed" is the lure, and something they will need to ponder...

OT Rant begin:

Move? Many folks find this the most desirable place to live in the world (namely the Bay Area). Off the top-of-my-head, a few reasons why, or what some would call reality:

Climate - mild/pleasant year around, zip for humidity (hp robbing, btw), no shoveling snow, no hurricanes or devastating storms, no tornados of note, and yes an occasional earthquake...

Things to do abound - With such wonderful weather, being outdoors is not just something to escape. There are plenty of lakes, rivers, hills and mountains that surround the area, including Yosemite. Beaches (Monterey, Carmel & Santa Cruz, etc.) are less than an hour away. Speaking of Monterey, the Laguna Seca race track is there (Salinas technically). Many ski resorts and casinos are just a morning's drive off. Some of the finest wine in the world is just an hour north. There are several amusement parks, including Great America. SF, the most photographed city in the world... Some of the finest colleges and universities (Cal & Stanford most notably) reside here. Much of the intellect has stayed: Apple, IBM, Intel, Cisco, Yahoo!, Lockheed Martin, Seagate and Applied Materials, to name a few... With so many options, sports is not the only "game" in town, yet there are 2 NFL teams, 2 MLB teams, 1 NBA and 1 NHL (if that league survives ). The diversity of the population makes for a wide array of restaurants and cultural activities. And when the travel bug hits, there are 3 major airports within an hour of each other...

Move? Many of us like all of the above way too much. I will stay, and simply choose to ask, politely, as in this instance, if a product will be CARB certified.

OT rant done.

Gintani will make a decision they find best for their business. This thread might serve them well in gauging such interest. The design makes a lot of sense to me, and I remain very interested. However, even if the price were half, I wouldn't pull the trigger without CARB certification. Others will feel likewise for sure, and others will not...

 

OUCH!!!

 

Hello im Danny, I am a member of the Gintani team. I'm responding to this link that was posted. To clear things up Gintani has nothing to do with this company called RMS. Osh Minelian designed the new product but Gintani has it's own staff, management and ownership. Once again all the horror stories you've heard are irrelevant to Gintani and it's future. This new product will be ready for release in a month to two months. Data regarding flow, pressure, temperature, and dyno sheets will all be revealed shortly before the release. Once the product is released the data and the technology will speak for itself.
P.S. RMS's R&D and products have never been questioned.

 

Thanks for posting. Someone was going to find that link.

 

Moderator: In keeping with site guidlines, how about moving all the OT carb stuff to the other thread?

 

Which carb stuff is OT?

 

general comments about CARB and it's cost, not specific to this intercooler/manifold, which is the topic of this thread.

 

Sorry, I misread your post.

 

What's on the internet is just a rough idea of format, not content. When the company is formally announced, there should be a functional website. For all practical purposes, there is NO website at the present time. Be patient since product development, manufacture and release are of higher priority right now...

 

So far it looks that way or just testing the water?
How many of these units do you have in beta test on other MINI's?

PS
After reading more and following up on ted leist's post. I'm just not clear on this " Gintani has nothing to do with this company called RMS. Osh Minelian designed the new product" when Osh Minelian is the Director of RMS and Dan Heffner is owner, would that be you?

 

Andy,

A Laminova core is not used in the Gintani air-to-liquid system. HTH...