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Old Apr 15, 2018 | 11:57 PM
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F55 Modification opinions/help

I want to first say I was going back and forth when I first purchased my F55 about getting the JCW tune upgrade but the high price tag with installation it just seemed crazy, and all the bluetooth issues and such, I scrapped it and just kept it stock. Now 2 years later, I am thinking of doing this all at once to hopefully go smoother and save on some labor if I cant do it myself. Which I could definitely not do on the JCW kit. I know there are less options with F55 so maybe someone has something I am missing.

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Bytetronik Tune - LINK

Milltek downpipe-LINK

Remus sport exhaust--LINK Gives option of flap open or closed

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NM Cat back system - LINK just different exhaust



I know the tune will boost performance and needed for CEL, but I guess my questions are the following. The Cat less DP will make performance a little better and change the sound. But do I really need the exhaust because is that going to do much but just change the sound. Also anyone running the Milltek with stock exhaust and what are your thoughts? Will no cat and Remus sport mode be too much, because that is getting close to straight pipe. Also any other different exhaust out there anyone would suggest for a F55?
 
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Old Apr 16, 2018 | 12:04 AM
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I would go with the first three. Add colder plugs (available from ByteTronik) and a bigger intercooler (available from BT, Helix, Forge, etc.)
 
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Old Apr 16, 2018 | 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by vetsvette
I would go with the first three. Add colder plugs (available from ByteTronik) and a bigger intercooler (available from BT, Helix, Forge, etc.)
Ditto this. The DP is a matter of funds. We would suggest in this order:
  1. Exhaust
  2. Intercooler
  3. Intake or drop-in dry filter
  4. NGK Colder plugs with Stage-1 Tune
  5. DP (with bigger turbo)
 
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Old Apr 16, 2018 | 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Bytetronik
Ditto this. The DP is a matter of funds. We would suggest in this order:
  1. Exhaust
  2. Intercooler
  3. Intake or drop-in dry filter
  4. NGK Colder plugs with Stage-1 Tune
  5. DP (with bigger turbo)
Who manufactures a turbo that would be a good upgrade?
 
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Old Apr 16, 2018 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Zix
Who manufactures a turbo that would be a good upgrade?
Nothing conclusive yet at this time on the turbo. We'll be testing the turbo and pistons upgrade in the near future. We just received some OEM-size forged pistons (custom made) as a drop-in replacement to the factory cast pistons.

For inter cooler, we highly recommend the Airtec.





 
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Old Apr 16, 2018 | 10:58 AM
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What's the compression ratio going to be with those ceramic coated pistons?
 
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Old Apr 16, 2018 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by vetsvette
what's the compression ratio going to be with those ceramic coated pistons?
10.2
 
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Old Apr 16, 2018 | 01:05 PM
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So, how much boost do you think they can handle without compromising the con rods? Will they require a larger turbocharger? Just curious before I start scheming again.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2018 | 01:27 PM
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I really need to move back to Austin.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2018 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by vetsvette
So, how much boost do you think they can handle without compromising the con rods? Will they require a larger turbocharger? Just curious before I start scheming again.
We'll let you know when we reach that point Stay tuned
 
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Old Apr 17, 2018 | 08:49 AM
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sorry for going off topic OP but has the actual weak point of the b46/48 actually been found? Why pistons before rods?
 
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Old Apr 17, 2018 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by charrigan
sorry for going off topic OP but has the actual weak point of the b46/48 actually been found? Why pistons before rods?
This is the bottom side of the stock F56 pistons... what do you see?

 
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Old Apr 17, 2018 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by charrigan
sorry for going off topic OP but has the actual weak point of the b46/48 actually been found? Why pistons before rods?

No worries interesting stuff
 
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Old Apr 17, 2018 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Bytetronik
This is the bottom side of the stock F56 pistons... what do you see?

looks like a run of the mill bmw n54, n55, b58, b46/48 cast piston to me.
 
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Old Apr 17, 2018 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by heavyJ

The Modifications

Bytetronik Tune - LINK

Milltek downpipe-LINK

Remus sport exhaust--LINK Gives option of flap open or closed

OR

NM Cat back system - LINK just different exhaust
A couple things to note. The NM cat-back deletes the secondary cat. The remus sport does not replace the secondary cat. A catback is going to net you minimal gains. Just added noise. Theoretically the NM exhaust should gain you slightly more due to deleting the 2nd cat.

Another option if you just want more noise is you can go a frankenstein Milltek exhaust. Since Milltek does not have a f55 exhaust you can purchase the non-resonated front silencer replacement pipe and the oe downpipe to milltek exhaust adapter. You would need a reducer to clamp on the front milltek pipe with the stock exhaust. This would delete your secondary cat and resonator but retaining the stock rear muffler.

A downpipe will gain you some power with a tune vs a car with factory downpipe. The factory downpipe has a cat right off the turbo which hurts some flow as well as increased egt's. The Milltek downpipe is the best on the market currently. The catless version has an extended secondary o2 sensor bung. They claim it wont cause a CEL and I have not seen any reports of someone saying the catless downpipe in fact caused a cat efficiency code.

On stock turbo an intake is pretty much useless unless you just want more noise.

IMO your best bang for the buck power wise doing a downpipe, intercooler, and tune. Do all 3 at the same time so your car has to be tuned once and youre not paying $100 per tune adjustment for an added part.
 
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Old Apr 17, 2018 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Bytetronik
This is the bottom side of the stock F56 pistons... what do you see?

I finally see a ship!! I hate these stupid pictures but after looking at this for an hour, i see it!!!





I'll see myself out
 
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Old Apr 17, 2018 | 12:46 PM
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No, no Vinnie. It's a cat!
And it doesn't have a full skirt.
 
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Old Apr 17, 2018 | 12:58 PM
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It is crazy Mini went through all the work to put a magic eye on the bottom of their pistons, those things were all the rage in the 90's, I guess they are bringing them back. Thanks Mini for your attention to detail!!!
 
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Old Apr 17, 2018 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by vetsvette
No, no Vinnie. It's a cat!
And it doesn't have a full skirt.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
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Old Apr 17, 2018 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Bytetronik
This is the bottom side of the stock F56 pistons... what do you see?

um… surprisingly little side skirt? I am not an engine designer but that seems like it might not be the best weight-strength trade off to make.

Did I guess right? If so, do I win a prize?
 
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Old Apr 17, 2018 | 07:43 PM
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I can give you my impressions later this week.

Currently have JCW factory exhaust with flap open. Running BT tune and adding a Milltek DP and AirTec IC on Thursday.

Not exactly the set up you were asking about but it is close.

 
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Old Apr 18, 2018 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by bratling
um… surprisingly little side skirt? I am not an engine designer but that seems like it might not be the best weight-strength trade off to make.
the piston skirt and design is no different design compared to previous and current forced induction bmw engines B and N family.
The B series engines are a modular design. Same bore and stroke etc. The b58 engine is proven to be able to handle north of 500+whp on stock internals once you get past the fueling limitations. The b58 piston looks essentially identical design to the b48 piston.

I am still waiting for an educated answer from Mike in regards to how and why he feels the piston is the weak point of the B46/48. Other than severe detonation causing the piston to crack BUT detonation can easily take out a forged piston as well.

Mike do you know more about the only known tuned b48 engine failure than we do?
 
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Old Apr 18, 2018 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by charrigan
the piston skirt and design is no different design compared to previous and current forced induction bmw engines B and N family.
The B series engines are a modular design. Same bore and stroke etc. The b58 engine is proven to be able to handle north of 500+whp on stock internals once you get past the fueling limitations. The b58 piston looks essentially identical design to the b48 piston.

I am still waiting for an educated answer from Mike in regards to how and why he feels the piston is the weak point of the B46/48. Other than severe detonation causing the piston to crack BUT detonation can easily take out a forged piston as well.

Mike do you know more about the only known tuned b48 engine failure than we do?
We are not mechanical engineers and can't speculate what the B46/B48 MINI engine can or can not do. All we can do is provide results once our testings are completed with our forged pistons.
 
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Old Apr 18, 2018 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Bytetronik
We are not mechanical engineers and can't speculate what the B46/B48 MINI engine can or can not do. All we can do is provide results once our testings are completed with our forged pistons.
Why not test what is possible on stock internals before diving into replacing internals? Without knowing the limitations of the engine weather it be fueling, rods, pistons, etc why waste money building an engine?
 
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