I have 2 parts to this post.

Part 1: Numbers

Has anybody had any experience with these?

At $80 for the set, I'm curious if there are any factual numbers to be had as far as weight difference between the standard bolts, and if possible (math for the math people) how much lighter/faster would the damper be, if at all.

I know from a bit of science I learned about rotational mass and unsprung weight, that, the most significant weight loss/addition, in regards to power, is had at the outermost section of the rotating object.

Being that these bolts are on the inner 50% of the damper itself, how much affect will they have?

I am interested to learn more. They seem like a great idea for an upgrade to the ATI product. Best dampening, with lighter weight. If anyone gets their hands on these, please, weigh them before you install them, and weigh the standard bolts coming out. If there are any additional tests you can perform, post the data here.

Part 2: Install

I am also curious, can these bolts be installed without removing the damper... say if you were to fully remove and install 1 at a time... or will it be required release the tension, pull the damper, remove the standard bolts, replace with titanium, reinstall damper with new crank bolt... etc?


Thanks in advance for any info.

 

Personally I think not worth dropping $80 on them. I don't think there would be any difference worth noting. Again just my personal feeling on them.

 

my thoughts as well. hopefully somebody catches this and can provide some numbers anyway.

 

If someone sends me the size of bolt and number of bolts I can calculate it up.

 

easy to calculate, noticable differece? depends on the amount of hardware changed

for racing, every bit counts, plus no chance of rust

idea for weight savings: 1 cubic inch of material

stainless steel hardware will weigh: 4.32oz-4.624oz

titanium:2.601oz

so its about 40% - 44% lighter

size of the bolts would be able to tell you the actual weight savings

 

nice. good info so far.

 

Just replaced my sc pulley and installed titanium bolts, got them from wmw, was about $48, also replaced my crank pulley with a ATI version, talking with my buddy who does high end motor cycling work, it does make a difference.....knowing that it has stronger and lighter bolts in place makes me feel better, also notice quicker revs

 

Oh my, you feel quicker revs with those titanium bolts. Man the placebo effect is very strong with those.

 

Are they actually stronger or just lighter? I know that on Way's website it says that they are "super strong".

 

The biggest advantage to the titanium bolts are that they are stronger than the steel hardware, as well as they are reusable, as opposed to the steel hardware that looses it's ability to take torque.

If you are installing the damper once and not rebuilding it the steel hardware will work fine, the titanium hardware is more marketed to those who are rebuilding their dampers multiple times during its life.

That said, there is no downsides to you buying and installing them.

Nick
Detroit Tuned

 

technically stainless steel is stronger than titanium, but strength/weight Ti wins. which makes it ideal. Since Ti is more ductile than steel, it will hold the torque better (easier to deform) could you actually test the difference in everyday? No since they are engineered factors away from failure. like I posted above, Ti is about 40% lighter than steel, and if the total weight of the bolts is 10oz, then you have 6oz in titanium bolts near the center of rotation..... is the a difference? yes technically there is. can you feel it? no, is it measurable? yes but other factors will make more of a difference. im glad that you are enjoying it, and you have the bragging right that you have Titanium hardware.

 

No, quicker revs with 16% pulley with ati crank pulley, just piece of mind with titanium bolts....