Crikey, this thread sure went south fast.

Moderator, please move this to MINI-talk instead of performance mods since the Vendor seems reluctant still to actually discuss it.

It smells like more vendor promotion to me. (That's just MY opinion)

This is a DISCUSSION forum, not vendor announcements.

If the vendor is unwilling to discuss it, it doesn;t belong here. (In my opinion)

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People, its a present. Send your envelope and say "thank you M7".

 

So it's a tube with a valve in it? Could you please elaborate.

Is the "device" marked so that there is no confusion during installation as the direction of the "valve or whatever". I'm just thinking that if it were installed in the reverse direction it could have quite negative results.

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Chill Trippy. The vendor hasn't posted since 10pm. Everyone has to sleep a little.

 

Trippy - Get a life or two stamps in the mail

 

&gt;&gt;Trippy - Get a life or two stamps in the mail


I doubt M7's going to be sending Trippy this device in his life time

And Thanks!

 

I bet Trippy will use an assumed name or get a friend to do it if he has any.

The flag is up on my mail box!!

 

did you guys notice that trippy does not have an mcs?

 

&gt;&gt;did you guys notice that trippy does not have an mcs?

That's for &quot;Team critical reading skills&quot;

No, I just get ticked off when a vendor does something like this.

Could you even ask for a better advertising strategy to create bad-will amongst customers?

&quot;We've got a secret!!!&quot; It's like highschool girls or something.

I know, &quot;Team so-cal-girl's-clique&quot;

 

maybe he thinks it will work on his Yugo

 

Thank YOU!

 

where is the trippy deleate button on the computer. i can't find it anywhere. maybe m7 could invent that much needed device. my envelope is in the mail. sorry still looking for that delete button. thanks for the free sh$t. from both of you guys i will take the device over advice.

 

---&gt; M7: Now that you’ve almost described the physical part, please explain in technical detail the parts’ functionality.


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Apparently this is similar to the &quot;Ryephix #2&quot;, but instead of increasing the spring rate on the bypass valve, they're restricting the vacuum line so that the valve has less suction to actuate against the spring. Seems like just a different way to accomplish the same thing (to me). That being said, I think it's cool and I enjoy this sort of &quot;grass roots&quot; mod development.

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Here's an idea - send off for one and dissect it if you wanna know so bad...

This isn't rocket science, people. It's a tube with a valve in it... who cares what kind of valve it is? Do you know all the types of valves available, how they actuate, etc.? What kind of pressures they handle, etc.? Do they need to provide THAT much detail before you are happy?

They could make up all kinds of marketing BS that would sound fine - or, they could explain the technical aspects of the valve and they would still catch all kinds of crap. And, most people wouldn't even understand it if they did...

 

It's not a big deal, they have put a restrictor orifice in the tube to slow the vacuum actuator's response to vacuum signals, same action as a stronger spring. What size I don't know but easy enough to find out. Please check your yoyo thread. :smile:

 

&gt;&gt;Here's an idea - send off for one and dissect it if you wanna know so bad...
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&gt;&gt;This isn't rocket science, people. It's a tube with a valve in it... who cares what kind of valve it is? Do you know all the types of valves available, how they actuate, etc.? What kind of pressures they handle, etc.? Do they need to provide THAT much detail before you are happy?
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&gt;&gt;They could make up all kinds of marketing BS that would sound fine - or, they could explain the technical aspects of the valve and they would still catch all kinds of crap. And, most people wouldn't even understand it if they did...

I think what everyone wants to know is, is it really a &quot;Valve&quot; or did he just plug the tube with a round object. If I send an envelope with an SAE to M7 and get a ball bearing back 2 weeks later, I'd be a little upset since I'm sure I have something laying around my garage that can accomplish that. If M7's giving them away, I assume it's not a complicated microvalve, but something I could get at the local hardware store. So I'd rather walk next door and get somthing to try today instead of waiting for a letter back from M7. Technical details of the &quot;Device&quot; would answer this question.

 

Trippy: I dont see what's so wrong with a vendor trying to get a little recognition for something that they are distributing for free. Any other vendor on this board would do the same thing... They are companies, and thus need exposure.

There is no sense in whining, just send an envelope and test it out yourself. Stamps really dont cost that much

 

So, investigate and invent your own solution? That's what lots of other people have done...

I mean, does someone else have to do all the thinking for everyone else around here?

I agree we're here to share ideas - but, IMHO, if I'm a vendor, I'm gonna keep my discoveries proprietary. And then, I'm going to use an innovative marketing technique (props, m7, gotta love it) to get people to remember my shop and potentially buy my other products.

 

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;it is a nylon insert ( valve ) in the tube .
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&gt;&gt;so just tell us the spec on the valve already.
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I suspect the SASE is a way to generate a mailing list. Not unreasonable for the service they are providing - THAT is standard marketing.

 

Right on Scobib! A straight shootin Texan

I like the idea of the delete button. Wouldn't be great if we had something like the opposite of a buddy list? We could add user names to it individually and there posts would just be blanked out on our individual screens?

 

M7: thank you. It's so obvious that I can't believe we didn't figure it out. Kudos to you.

I'm surprised that Andy hasn't posted about this because he mentioned a similar application to damp the oscillations on his boost gauge. So this isn't without precedent.

This is a common phenomena. If you go out and buy carb sticks (which measure vacuum) to balance a set of carbs, they will come with a little valve to stick in each tube that damps the vacuum pulse. If it's the same ID then I already have a couple of these lying around.

As for the rest of the &quot;conspiracy theorists&quot; on the forum, you have a lot of growing up to do. Someone offers a freebie and you're going to ***** about it? Nice--real nice.

Again - if it works, great, and if not you've spent all of 74 cents to find that out.

Cheers,

Jeff

 

So let me get this straight... It's NOT a condom??? Damn... I thought for sure...

Ill be sending my SASE ASAP OK. I think the next NAM group buy should be on Xanex... Seriously, why all the stress on a FREE mod that seemingly does something(even if it is subtle). Is there not enough stress to be had naturally via life?

 

A I understand it (and no I am not 'in' on the device) is that by constricting the tube it will 'dampen' the vacuum making for a more gradual effect on the bypass valve. I actually tinkered with this a bit back when Rhyphil was modifying the valve spring itself. My solution was weak at best as I has an air leak in my setup and gave up and put the stock hose back on (I had tried to use the tubing from my vacuum carburetor meter that had dampening in it already).

It sounds like a good approach to the problem of a the bypass valve not closing fast enough and 'fluttering' causing the Yo-Yo effect that a lot of us have. I look forward to trying this one out (it would be great if it corrects the yo-yo with no side effects) -

ever onward....

 

I see your point, but for the record Ryephile IS a professional automotive software engineer (or something along those lines) and he invented two different yo-yo fixes himself, and provided detailed technical explanations to go along wiht his fixes. So, he DOES know all those details about valves and their operation, and WOULD understand it.

Personally, I feel really grateful for Rye and other people with professional technical expertise here on NAM. They perform a very useful service for less technically knowledgable users like me.

I'm sure that if M7 doesn't want to discuss the technical aspects of this &quot;device&quot; Rye will get a hold of one and dissect it for us. It does indeed sound like it does something similar to replacing the bypass valve spring. And I'm sure he'll compare this &quot;device&quot; with the other fixes he came up with, and with the fix provided by software version 38. I'm going to rely on his opinion to decide which of those solutions to apply to my own yo-yo problem.

For the record, this is why I like Ryephile and Andy@ross-tech and don't feel as good about M7. I like it when people are forthcoming with the technical details, even if I don't totally understand them. Compare this, or any other M7 product thread, with the Yo-Yo Chronicles or Operation Hot Air Intake. Those threads stem from a genuine desire to find information and share it. I just don't see that same spirit over here.

Granted, M7 is a business, but still. I wouldn't go as far as Trippy in likening M7 to Jr. High girls gossiping between classes, they do seem to play the &quot;I know something you don't know&quot; card a bit too often. If the thing is free, what's the harm in divulging the technical details behind its operation?