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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by jinubob81
ok... now i'm all confused.

sorry for my lapse in not-being-a-tard, but let's say that the throttle body is the metal thing with the butterfly open-close thing (which i think it is... right?) and the by pass valve is the black rubber thing? the white dotted end goes onto the black rubber thing, and the non-marked end goes to the throttle body?

that's how i did it anyways, so if it's wrong, please lemme know. i just saw the pretty "here and not here" diagram, and am now wondering if i did it wrong. shame on you photo-chopper! har har
you got it right dude! The chopped photo is wrong. take care
 
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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by sfjames2
you got it right dude! The chopped photo is wrong. take care
That's what I was waiting for. Thank you for the clarification.

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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 10:55 AM
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no problemo man.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 10:56 AM
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since mine had the white out rubbed off, should the device be closer to the valve or further. I installed it were the bump in the hose was closer to the valve.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 11:11 AM
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as long as the valve is closest to the black piece, its all good Silver one.

ah crap, the end of the hose that has the bump in it should be closer to the black piece. there thats it.
 

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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 11:18 AM
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silver-mini-S, did you get your issue figured out and fixed. Was it a leak at one of the couplers. I've done the same, so just wondering.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 11:50 AM
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TRUE or FALSE: The bump in the hose where the device is installed should be farther away from the valve closer to the black piece. The longer part of the hose without the restriction should be between the device and the valve?
 
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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 11:53 AM
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The SEL is still on and I can't get rid of it. I reinstalled the intercooler even though I didn't see or hear a leak. I just ordered a ODBII scanner so I can check out the fault and clear the SEL. Ill keep you posted...
 
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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 12:17 PM
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I checked with our resident expert " device " installer about your SEL light. He thought that possibley a electrical connector MAY have become dislodged. He has seen it where the front mounted Map sensor has become a bit off kilter and caused that same problem. Also there is one or two connectors down by the by pass vlave itself. He mentionedthat if the decive is properly installed , meaning no leaks at either end, the direction it faces would not cause a warning light of any type. Good luck in your search and I hope some ofthis may have helped. We will keep checking in to see your progress or call me at 818 497 4341.

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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 12:58 PM
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Not to throw this whole thing completely off course, but how do you account for this apparently *excellent* mileage? I've got a 2002 MCS, and in the most extreme example of 6th gear cruising for 400 miles at a time over flat Illinois/Iowa terrain with little or no wind, the most I've *ever* seen is 32-33 mpg. Typically it's more in the range of 27-30 for me, with a 70-30 mix of highway and city driving. And, those numbers are from the overly optimistic onboard computer.



Originally Posted by sfjames2
Hello all, as far as gas mileage goes, mine is at 36 mpg. Probably be at 37-38mpg if not for the hole-shots out of the toll booths and a little traffic.:smile: This is on my weekly drive to Sacramento from SF. take care all.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 02:26 PM
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BigBrownDog, I wonder the same thing whenever I see the lower mpg claims. I can say that my only mods so far are Alta intake, Borla race exhaust, Alta catch can and air diverter/sprayer. Never had any ecu updates by dealer. Avg. speed is about 70mph , I dunno thats what it says. Our range on a full tank of petrol gets to about 544 miles. I guess thats good too.? Brutus is 7/02 build. and should of been one of the MINIs with hella probs., maybe we got that lucky.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 02:44 PM
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BigBrownDog, your mention of "most extreme 6th gear cruising", justmakes me want to remind you that being in sixth under 65mph uses more gas than being in 5th at 65mph.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by silver-mini-s
TRUE or FALSE: The bump in the hose where the device is installed should be farther away from the valve closer to the black piece. The longer part of the hose without the restriction should be between the device and the valve?
ok, after reading this 50 times........................TRUE!
 
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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 02:59 PM
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Why does it make a difference?

Peter or Max, why does it make any difference which way the restriction in installed?
 
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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 03:06 PM
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come on guys i drive to work and back on the freeway, i only get 25.5 per galon average speed 37,after mods (K&N typhoon intake, borla sport exhuast) my on board computer says 26.4 miles per galon...the most i get out of a tank of gas is 280-290. ......how do you guys get so much more.. ...2002 MCS.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 03:10 PM
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Must be the catch can -

I can't figure it out - I definitely am not getting anywhere close to your mileage, and usually I'm cruising around 70-75 as well. I've been trying to find the optimum fuel efficiency point in RPMs -- using the OBC and resetting it to try and get instantaneous readings when the car is somewhat steady state (even speed, no hills, etc). Seems to me that I'm getting the best mileage readings around 3700-3900 RPM using this technique.

Just got my boost gauge installed, so maybe I can try using it as somewhat of an "fuel economy gauge" on my next trip (since it reads vacuum too).

Maybe your car really does have problems, and you're only running on 3 cylinders


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BigBrownDog, I wonder the same thing whenever I see the lower mpg claims. I can say that my only mods so far are Alta intake, Borla race exhaust, Alta catch can and air diverter/sprayer. Never had any ecu updates by dealer. Avg. speed is about 70mph , I dunno thats what it says. Our range on a full tank of petrol gets to about 544 miles. I guess thats good too.? Brutus is 7/02 build. and should of been one of the MINIs with hella probs., maybe we got that lucky.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 03:19 PM
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Actually, I do remember one occasion when I was getting significantly better mileage readings from the OBC -- earlier this year my car had a problem that eventually required the electronic Throttle Body to be replaced (EDK for all you BMW folks). Anyway, during the time that the car was acting weird and generally misbehaving a lot I would sometimes see very strange numbers on the OBC display - extremely high MPG as an example (i.e. 33 MPG after a hour of stop and go traffic in the city) and others. It led me to believe that due to whatever problems that the bad TB had was affecting the overall data integrity of the system.

My problem was caused by poor or nonexistent feedback in the closed-loop throttle system (post warm-up cycle). I don't know if somehow the throttle position information fed back by the TB is used as input data to the OBC MPG calculation or not - it's quite possible that it is, since the fuel delivery is most likely calculated by the ECU based on other factors and not actually measured.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 03:21 PM
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Maybe your car really does have problems, and you're only running on 3 cylinders [/QUOTE]


you got me on that one! take care man.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 08:16 PM
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Max or Peter, why does it make any difference which way the restriction is installed?
 
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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 09:59 PM
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The originator of the device felt that with the shorter end closer to the valve itself it may give a even quicker responce. But to be honest you are talking about a subtle difference on a subtle device. I doubt seriously if you could tell from the butt dyno. I think it would work ALMOST as well in either direction.
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Old Jun 16, 2004 | 03:23 PM
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I just got one of these "devices". Will report back tomorrow.
 
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Old Jun 16, 2004 | 03:55 PM
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Andy, be sure to "demuéstreme los números" once you have the "device" evaluated

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Old Jun 16, 2004 | 05:42 PM
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hey andy thanks for the 1/4 mile info.

i am getting very good ideas for my next mods....(helix pulley)
i see alot of good product ,
it is strange that a MCS with a supersprint header would be slower than car with a stock header.....there is something that no mod can change and that is a good driver.
 

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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 05:45 AM
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I've only scanned through the multiple pages of this thread, so forgive me if this question has already been asked/answered, but can someone from M7, or anyone else with direct experience with this "device" comment on any impact to fuel economy.

I have no direct experience with superchargers, but I read some comments on another thread that said that changing the bypass valves characteristics affected the fuel economy. So, I'm wondering if this "device" will have a similar affect.

It's not a big concern, but I'm just trying to understand the supercharger behavior.

Any thoughts/comments ??

BB
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 10:36 AM
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hello Blue Brummie, I have not noticed a change in gas mileage for better or worse. I'd think though that if you smash the throttle often, your mileage would go down a little more just because of the supercharger being used a bit more. take care.
 
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