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Has anyone else noticed this? Know anything else about it? Think it's worth it compared to aftermarket? Love to hear comments...
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OVERDRIVE - Racing Champion
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From: Mililani, Hawaii
>>Has anyone else noticed this? Know anything else about it? Think it's worth it compared to aftermarket? Love to hear comments...
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>>motoring file
Yes, this option has been around for a long time in the UK and Europe but only recently will be coming to the US for MC.
The MCS has already got it's own version of the JCW kit for about $5500+
See also
http://www.johncooper.co.uk/JohnCoop...r+Tuning+Kits/
Their competitor will be DINAN with upgrade kits for the MC coming this year for about $1000 or more less and comes with warranty from DINAN for four years.
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>>motoring file
Yes, this option has been around for a long time in the UK and Europe but only recently will be coming to the US for MC.
The MCS has already got it's own version of the JCW kit for about $5500+
See also
http://www.johncooper.co.uk/JohnCoop...r+Tuning+Kits/
Their competitor will be DINAN with upgrade kits for the MC coming this year for about $1000 or more less and comes with warranty from DINAN for four years.
6th Gear
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From: Atlanta/Amsterdam
>>Has anyone else noticed this? Know anything else about it? Think it's worth it compared to aftermarket? Love to hear comments...
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>>motoring file
My opinion, it is not worth it. At $3150 installed it is quite expensive. The main benefit is for an increase in horsepower. At 11hp and 5lbs of torque it is very minimal. EVO did a review of the car and did not notice any improvement in drivability or acceleration. In fact, it was slower than the stock MC, although they thought that might be attributed to the age of the car. I would say from a horsepower perspective you can get that performance for much cheaper without affecting the warranty. The AmD chip, with BMW/Mini Exhaust and an intake will probably give you the same performance. The AmD chip can be uninstalled, an intake has never invalidated a warranty, and the exhaust is made by Mini.
To purchase for the JCW pedigree in my opinion is still not worth it. I don't think you will get the money back or make the car that much more valuable.
This kit was originally brought over because MiniUSA did not think that it would sell because the cost was too high for the hp benefit. I think this still holds true.
I have an MCS, but I still really like the MC and I think it has some great benefits. I think increasing the hp by 11 does not continue to accentuate this car much more. I think if the JCW kit came with a better suspension setup and a set of brakes, it would have a far greater impact on the car. Throw in the JCW carbon fiber dash and maybe another "exclusive" goody or two and it would be great. I would like to see some more excluesive JCW goodies such as the CF dash in the MC40, that would make the car stand out some more.
Overall, I really cannot see to many people purchasing this kit. Some will because this is America and someone will pay anything for something. The JCW kit does well on the MCS because it gives a fair amount of performance while maintaining the warranty. 11hp is way to easy to have through the aftermarket without invalidating the warranty.
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>>motoring file
My opinion, it is not worth it. At $3150 installed it is quite expensive. The main benefit is for an increase in horsepower. At 11hp and 5lbs of torque it is very minimal. EVO did a review of the car and did not notice any improvement in drivability or acceleration. In fact, it was slower than the stock MC, although they thought that might be attributed to the age of the car. I would say from a horsepower perspective you can get that performance for much cheaper without affecting the warranty. The AmD chip, with BMW/Mini Exhaust and an intake will probably give you the same performance. The AmD chip can be uninstalled, an intake has never invalidated a warranty, and the exhaust is made by Mini.
To purchase for the JCW pedigree in my opinion is still not worth it. I don't think you will get the money back or make the car that much more valuable.
This kit was originally brought over because MiniUSA did not think that it would sell because the cost was too high for the hp benefit. I think this still holds true.
I have an MCS, but I still really like the MC and I think it has some great benefits. I think increasing the hp by 11 does not continue to accentuate this car much more. I think if the JCW kit came with a better suspension setup and a set of brakes, it would have a far greater impact on the car. Throw in the JCW carbon fiber dash and maybe another "exclusive" goody or two and it would be great. I would like to see some more excluesive JCW goodies such as the CF dash in the MC40, that would make the car stand out some more.
Overall, I really cannot see to many people purchasing this kit. Some will because this is America and someone will pay anything for something. The JCW kit does well on the MCS because it gives a fair amount of performance while maintaining the warranty. 11hp is way to easy to have through the aftermarket without invalidating the warranty.
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Maybe brand new right from the get go , but not after a time
Better to buy a new MINI
Trade-in resale is good
Although the first 2 year lease MINIs are coming up for return any time now
And if it's not any better on the throttle why bother at all
Better to buy a new MINI
Trade-in resale is good
Although the first 2 year lease MINIs are coming up for return any time now
And if it's not any better on the throttle why bother at all
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From: Chicago
>>Has anyone else noticed this? Know anything else about it? Think it's worth it compared to aftermarket? Love to hear comments...
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>>motoring file
MotoringFile will have a review of the car sometime later this month.
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MotoringFile will have a review of the car sometime later this month.
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If I was going to spend several thousand dollars to upgrade a MC, I would trade it in and get a MCS. . . .
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OVERDRIVE - Racing Champion
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From: Mililani, Hawaii
>>>>If I was going to spend several thousand dollars to upgrade a MC, I would trade it in and get a MCS. . . .
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>>never heard that one before
From a purely performance standpoint if you have limited funds of $3000 to $5000 for upgrades then a stock MCS would offer more raw power than a stock MC with JCW kit for the MC installed.
Many times JCW kits are added to MINIs (MCS or MC) not only for the added performance but for keeping the warranty intact, being a collector's item, being unique/offering prestige from the badge, knowing that the mods are well planned and matched for the MINI (even though not as robust in power gains) and because it is an easy and available fairly full upgrade package with a clear upgrade goal/vision.
Same could be said of the DINAN upgrade kit for the MC when it arrives this year. But the cost will be less.
So how does one compare a stock MCS to a MC with JCW kit? Money wise they are close. Power wise the MCS has more but there are other factors. My impression is that with a JCW kit in the MC CVT it might be quite good in feel and performance. The MC 5 speed with JCW might still be helped by a little more power but with the right light wheels and suspension mods I think it would be fine. I think the balance of the car in handling and enough power would be adequate though not excessive-great fun to drive and very unique.
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>>never heard that one before
From a purely performance standpoint if you have limited funds of $3000 to $5000 for upgrades then a stock MCS would offer more raw power than a stock MC with JCW kit for the MC installed.
Many times JCW kits are added to MINIs (MCS or MC) not only for the added performance but for keeping the warranty intact, being a collector's item, being unique/offering prestige from the badge, knowing that the mods are well planned and matched for the MINI (even though not as robust in power gains) and because it is an easy and available fairly full upgrade package with a clear upgrade goal/vision.
Same could be said of the DINAN upgrade kit for the MC when it arrives this year. But the cost will be less.
So how does one compare a stock MCS to a MC with JCW kit? Money wise they are close. Power wise the MCS has more but there are other factors. My impression is that with a JCW kit in the MC CVT it might be quite good in feel and performance. The MC 5 speed with JCW might still be helped by a little more power but with the right light wheels and suspension mods I think it would be fine. I think the balance of the car in handling and enough power would be adequate though not excessive-great fun to drive and very unique.
6th Gear
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From: Chicago
>>Many times JCW kits are added to MINIs (MCS or MC) not only for the added performance but for keeping the warranty intact, being a collector's item, being unique/offering prestige from the badge, knowing that the mods are well planned and matched for the MINI (even though not as robust in power gains) and because it is an easy and available fairly full upgrade package with a clear upgrade goal/vision.
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>>Same could be said of the DINAN upgrade kit for the MC when it arrives this year. But the cost will be less.
FYI The Dinan warranty invalidates any MINI warranty on all items associated with the Dinan upgrade. MINI sent around an internal memo late last year emphasizing this point. MINI Corporate's relationship with Dinan has been strained in the last few years.
Further the Dinan warranty isn't a MINI warranty and thus is only serviceable at Dinan authorized dealerships.
I've mentioned this on other threads when this topic comes up and I hate to sound like a Dinan basher - I'm definitely not. I just want to make sure that this is known to all those interested up front before they find out at an inopportune time.
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>>Same could be said of the DINAN upgrade kit for the MC when it arrives this year. But the cost will be less.
FYI The Dinan warranty invalidates any MINI warranty on all items associated with the Dinan upgrade. MINI sent around an internal memo late last year emphasizing this point. MINI Corporate's relationship with Dinan has been strained in the last few years.
Further the Dinan warranty isn't a MINI warranty and thus is only serviceable at Dinan authorized dealerships.
I've mentioned this on other threads when this topic comes up and I hate to sound like a Dinan basher - I'm definitely not. I just want to make sure that this is known to all those interested up front before they find out at an inopportune time.
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From: Mililani, Hawaii
>>FYI The Dinan warranty invalidates any MINI warranty on all items associated with the Dinan upgrade. MINI sent around an internal memo late last year emphasizing this point. MINI Corporate's relationship with Dinan has been strained in the last few years.
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>>Further the Dinan warranty isn't a MINI warranty and thus is only serviceable at Dinan authorized dealerships.
Yes. This is true. DINAN does not = MINI. While JCW kit added is still covered under warranty by MINI dealerships.
In my area my dealership is an authorized DINAN facility and I have heard of no trouble with DINAN warranty being honored but the same problem occurs if you mod your car after the DINAN kit is installed. Further mods may void your DINAN warranty.
So if you want a performance kit and the big MINI warranty stick to stock and add JCW kit and leave it alone.
If you want some sort of warranty from a performance kit from DINAN and MINI then add the DINAN kit and leave it alone. If you don't have a DINAN authorized dealer nearby then I'd think twice about DINAN. Then JCW becomes more attractive.
6th Gear
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From: Chicago
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>>>>FYI The Dinan warranty invalidates any MINI warranty on all items associated with the Dinan upgrade. MINI sent around an internal memo late last year emphasizing this point. MINI Corporate's relationship with Dinan has been strained in the last few years.
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>>>>Further the Dinan warranty isn't a MINI warranty and thus is only serviceable at Dinan authorized dealerships.
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>>Yes. This is true. DINAN does not = MINI. While JCW kit added is still covered under warranty by MINI dealerships.
>>In my area my dealership is an authorized DINAN facility and I have heard of no trouble with DINAN warranty being honored but the same problem occurs if you mod your car after the DINAN kit is installed. Further mods may void your DINAN warranty.
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>>So if you want a performance kit and the big MINI warranty stick to stock and add JCW kit and leave it alone.
>>If you want some sort of warranty from a performance kit from DINAN and MINI then add the DINAN kit and leave it alone. If you don't have a DINAN authorized dealer nearby then I'd think twice about DINAN. Then JCW becomes more attractive.
Yeah my thoughts as well
>>>>FYI The Dinan warranty invalidates any MINI warranty on all items associated with the Dinan upgrade. MINI sent around an internal memo late last year emphasizing this point. MINI Corporate's relationship with Dinan has been strained in the last few years.
>>>>
>>>>Further the Dinan warranty isn't a MINI warranty and thus is only serviceable at Dinan authorized dealerships.
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>>Yes. This is true. DINAN does not = MINI. While JCW kit added is still covered under warranty by MINI dealerships.
>>In my area my dealership is an authorized DINAN facility and I have heard of no trouble with DINAN warranty being honored but the same problem occurs if you mod your car after the DINAN kit is installed. Further mods may void your DINAN warranty.
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>>So if you want a performance kit and the big MINI warranty stick to stock and add JCW kit and leave it alone.
>>If you want some sort of warranty from a performance kit from DINAN and MINI then add the DINAN kit and leave it alone. If you don't have a DINAN authorized dealer nearby then I'd think twice about DINAN. Then JCW becomes more attractive.
Yeah my thoughts as well
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I don't know if anyone has thought about this, but the 2006 MC will have 140HP. That's significantly more than the Works. You may not be able to purchase the engine for $3k but after selling the 115HP model, it will be cheaper.
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If you want some sort of warranty from a performance kit from DINAN and MINI then add the DINAN kit and leave it alone. If you don't have a DINAN authorized dealer nearby then I'd think twice about DINAN. Then JCW becomes more attractive.
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