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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 11:22 AM
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YEP I am coming back on leave for 2 weeks the end part of September, and yes you are always welcome to email me Steve.

Now back to the schedualed program:
Steve brings up a good point, there have been a few companys that have tried front mount setups on M45 cars, and MOST of them HAVE had problems. Most of the problems are boost leaks due to the couplers poping off when the engine is suddenly placed into load, and the other biggest complaint is the pressure drop.
To my knowledge all of the piping for theese kits have been mostly aluminum hard pipes, and only a couple silicone couplers to alow for movement of the engine. To me it would make more sense to use more of the softer "bendable" silicone piping, or at least have more flex joints in theese setups.
As for the pressure drop, you are going to have to live with it to some degree, more piping= more volume to pressurize. Then most kits are using an I/C that takes up the entire front of the car that = a lot to pressurize. The OE intercooler works good as long as you keep air going over it. If the same size core was used in a front mount on a M45 car your cooling would be better than stock, and aditional volume to pressurize would be limmited to the piping only.
On a setup like Jans new one bigger makes since, just like the HUGE I/C's on built Evo's and STi's. The amount of boost is upped in theese cars to the point where core size dosent matter as much. (I know of an Evo in Denver running 37psi of boost.) Produsing that much boost also makes tons of heat, and the thermal efficancy of the core is looked at more than the pressure drop. Same goes for the piping, Big boost is usualy sent through the biggest pipes that will fit, most of the time it is impossible to stay with a 3" piping size throuought the entire system.

It all just comes down to another instance where you need to select the right parts for the application and, the task you are asking it to do. There is no universal setup that will work 100% with every system, And I trust Jan did his homework, and R&D.
 
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 11:40 AM
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We did
I spent many hours goingover this with Oscar Jackson and Bell Intercoolers
 
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 12:22 PM
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That is actually a cigarette lighter

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LOL....I don't think it should be their then should it as it doesn't get that hot!!! Maybe that is a new mod for the M45
 
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Old Aug 31, 2010 | 05:20 AM
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Old Aug 31, 2010 | 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Revolution Mini Works
We did
I spent many hours goingover this with Oscar Jackson and Bell Intercoolers
Never a doubt.
 
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Old Aug 31, 2010 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Revolution Mini Works
not sure why you would have a car down for just a $30 part that takes 15min to change

here is another shot of what 400whp can look like


slightly off topic but.......JCW badge......LOL!

Hate to inform you..."Your not fooling anybody" LOL
 
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Old Aug 31, 2010 | 07:10 AM
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slightly off topic but.......JCW badge......LOL!

Hate to inform you..."Your not fooling anybody" LOL

I think I'll end up with a regular cover on with a RMW plaque on it
 
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Old Aug 31, 2010 | 10:52 AM
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I think I'll end up with a regular cover on with a RMW plaque on it
You could also lose the blue - what looks like the 1 finger salute thinglet. It's a really nice blue decorative element.... but..... Bottom line, I like it.
 
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Old Sep 1, 2010 | 12:40 AM
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Man I wish this thread was exciting as the one that is elsewhere....

Just read it all....made for some awesome entertainment
 
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Old Sep 1, 2010 | 02:15 AM
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Looking Great

What are you doing for the water pump Jan?
 
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Old Sep 1, 2010 | 02:19 AM
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You still coming up north in September
 
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Old Sep 1, 2010 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ThumperMCS
Man I wish this thread was exciting as the one that is elsewhere....

Just read it all....made for some awesome entertainment
it's sad isn't it? lol....

Originally Posted by johnf36
Looking Great

What are you doing for the water pump Jan?
electric

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You still coming up north in September
not on the 18th as much as I wanted to watch the Nebraska game in Seattle
I have other fish to fry
 
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 07:12 AM
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Jan, with the big front mount IC did you save enough room up top to run a Non "S" hood?? or do you need/want the extra air up there anyway..
 
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 07:29 AM
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Jan, with the big front mount IC did you save enough room up top to run a Non "S" hood?? or do you need/want the extra air up there anyway..

yes it could run with a Cooper hood.......but since it's a GP.......that would really freak people out.......
 
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 07:52 AM
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The thing I most admire about this thread is not the interwebs banter, but the high-end power steering pump servo tank cap we can see in the photo.

DO TELL!!!!!!!

Is this a new product in the works?????????

About how much power does it make!!!!!!!

Availability????????
 
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Revolution Mini Works
yes it could run with a Cooper hood.......but since it's a GP.......that would really freak people out.......
Could be the makings for the ultimate sleeper.
 
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Helix13mini
The thing I most admire about this thread is not the interwebs banter, but the high-end power steering pump servo tank cap we can see in the photo.

DO TELL!!!!!!!

Is this a new product in the works?????????

About how much power does it make!!!!!!!

Availability????????
glad you noticed
it's made of special unobtanium.......very expensive and have to be custom fit so expect a 6digit price .....yes.... for that high end power steering cap
dyno figures on this unique part are not yet established but who cares when it looks that "hot"
Expect 4-6week delivery times for the "rubber glove" looking cap......... these are very labor intensive..................

Originally Posted by mini_racer
Could be the makings for the ultimate sleeper.
just waiting to build a fully built engine and drop one into a cooper........

now that will turn some heads at the local club run
 
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 08:47 AM
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just waiting to build a fully built engine and drop one into a cooper........

now that will turn some heads at the local club run[/quote]


Now that's right up my alley!! minimark would freak out as I pass him on the back streatch!!
 
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 08:53 AM
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Just keep that hood closed between sessions.
 
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by N2MINI
just waiting to build a fully built engine and drop one into a cooper........

now that will turn some heads at the local club run

Now that's right up my alley!! minimark would freak out as I pass him on the back streatch!! [/quote]

yes, that would upset him for sure

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Just keep that hood closed between sessions.

someone still might notice the fmic if they look hard enough
 
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Revolution Mini Works
Now that's right up my alley!! minimark would freak out as I pass him on the back streatch!!
yes, that would upset him for sure




someone still might notice the fmic if they look hard enough[/QUOTE]

tell them its for the air con lol. im in the process of doing this to my mini already, the fmic and hood is the only thing im missing.
 
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by s00perc00per
yes, that would upset him for sure




someone still might notice the fmic if they look hard enough
tell them its for the air con lol. im in the process of doing this to my mini already, the fmic and hood is the only thing im missing.[/quote]


going to get sweaty hot in TX.................
 
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 10:54 AM
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What about getting the FMIC coated with black thermal dispersant paint?
http://www.stanleydistribution.com/h...pation-coating

I am sure someone down that way does this.

http://wrxfanatics.com/lofiversion/i...hp/t51993.html
 

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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 11:14 AM
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What about getting the FMIC coated with black thermal dispersant paint?
http://www.stanleydistribution.com/h...pation-coating

I am sure someone down that way does this.

http://wrxfanatics.com/lofiversion/i...hp/t51993.html

I've been thinking about this but haven't quite decided on what I'm going to do
 
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 11:22 AM
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Outside of the heat dispersant, the black would reduce the profile of the aluminum intercooler.
 
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