Drivetrain Is it possible to make 400+whp on a Supercharger?
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E-gas 85 proof + 110 octaine?
Two simple words come to mind when I see an I/C that freekin huge on a supercharged engine, PRESSURE DROP. How much air is this new toy capable of moving and how tightly crammed is it going to be in the combustion chambers?
With an I/C of that magnitude I would say TURBO, but no you say S/C, It would need to be one heck of a centrifigul charger spining at verry high RPM IMO.
As for fueling this beast, I think 91oct crap-gas isnt going to be enough (400hp on a 1.6 or 1.8 things get a little crazy) E85 is my bet, as long as you have reworked the fuel system.
All in all it's another good teaser to get the site worked up again (been kinda boring around here lately anyhow) Keep up the thinking Jan, there arent many companys making NEW parts for our R53's anymore.
Two simple words come to mind when I see an I/C that freekin huge on a supercharged engine, PRESSURE DROP. How much air is this new toy capable of moving and how tightly crammed is it going to be in the combustion chambers?
With an I/C of that magnitude I would say TURBO, but no you say S/C, It would need to be one heck of a centrifigul charger spining at verry high RPM IMO.
As for fueling this beast, I think 91oct crap-gas isnt going to be enough (400hp on a 1.6 or 1.8 things get a little crazy) E85 is my bet, as long as you have reworked the fuel system.
All in all it's another good teaser to get the site worked up again (been kinda boring around here lately anyhow) Keep up the thinking Jan, there arent many companys making NEW parts for our R53's anymore.
twin rotrex supercharged stroker on E85, possibly?
it's a perfectly cropped image so you can't see anything in the S/C area, aside from a shiny intake pipe going "somewhere"
Too lazy to link posts and off the top of my head
ABF Performance - Drag Setup -635whp@~44psi and Time Attack Setup 450whp@~28psi T-only R53
Formerly Brian Whites Black car- 392@~22psi 554whp@unknown T-only R53
Tuls (garaged) - 400whp@~30psi Twincharged R53
Kalbone- 303whp@~16psi T-only
ABF Performance - Drag Setup -635whp@~44psi and Time Attack Setup 450whp@~28psi T-only R53
Formerly Brian Whites Black car- 392@~22psi 554whp@unknown T-only R53
Tuls (garaged) - 400whp@~30psi Twincharged R53
Kalbone- 303whp@~16psi T-only
Kalbone (garaged) - 303whp@~16psi T-only
Too lazy to link posts and off the top of my head
ABF Performance - Drag Setup -635whp@~44psi and Time Attack Setup 450whp@~28psi T-only R53
Multiple blown engines over the years
Formerly Brian Whites Black car- 392@~22psi 554whp@unknown T-only R53
Multiple blown engines. Last seen for sale broken on ebay.
Tuls (garaged) - 400whp@~30psi Twincharged R53
Blown up (sorry Tuls)
Kalbone- 303whp@~16psi T-only
Garaged for the last year needing repairs
ABF Performance - Drag Setup -635whp@~44psi and Time Attack Setup 450whp@~28psi T-only R53
Multiple blown engines over the years
Formerly Brian Whites Black car- 392@~22psi 554whp@unknown T-only R53
Multiple blown engines. Last seen for sale broken on ebay.
Tuls (garaged) - 400whp@~30psi Twincharged R53
Blown up (sorry Tuls)
Kalbone- 303whp@~16psi T-only
Garaged for the last year needing repairs
You guys need to go back and read the original post. This tread is about making 400whp with a "SUPERCHARGER" and nothing more.
Remember, these little cars we love so much are called a Mini Cooper S for a reason. We didn't buy the T model thank god.
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I did excuse myself and said I was off topic. Just wanted the gentleman to know that they have been 400 whp Minis before. And I don't think you want to start talking about engines blowing up do you?
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Talking about all those across the pond....
To stay on subject a 400hp Supercharged Mini from Revolution Mini Works is going to be awesome to say the least and at the hands of someone like Ian Stewart a formidable beast on the track!!!!!
To stay on subject a 400hp Supercharged Mini from Revolution Mini Works is going to be awesome to say the least and at the hands of someone like Ian Stewart a formidable beast on the track!!!!!
Let's go Mr. Tease......spill the beans.
And even if you change nothing but your HMIC (Heat Mounted InterCooler) for a decent FMIC, it will be a big deal. My IAT is ~30F over Ta on the street and on the track it gets much much worse. Bringing IATs down to a Ta range with just an IC would be awesome.
And even if you change nothing but your HMIC (Heat Mounted InterCooler) for a decent FMIC, it will be a big deal. My IAT is ~30F over Ta on the street and on the track it gets much much worse. Bringing IATs down to a Ta range with just an IC would be awesome.
don't know yet.......at this point it's math
E-gas 85 proof + 110 octaine?
Two simple words come to mind when I see an I/C that freekin huge on a supercharged engine, PRESSURE DROP. How much air is this new toy capable of moving and how tightly crammed is it going to be in the combustion chambers?
With an I/C of that magnitude I would say TURBO, but no you say S/C, It would need to be one heck of a centrifigul charger spining at verry high RPM IMO.
As for fueling this beast, I think 91oct crap-gas isnt going to be enough (400hp on a 1.6 or 1.8 things get a little crazy) E85 is my bet, as long as you have reworked the fuel system.
All in all it's another good teaser to get the site worked up again (been kinda boring around here lately anyhow) Keep up the thinking Jan, there arent many companys making NEW parts for our R53's anymore.
Two simple words come to mind when I see an I/C that freekin huge on a supercharged engine, PRESSURE DROP. How much air is this new toy capable of moving and how tightly crammed is it going to be in the combustion chambers?
With an I/C of that magnitude I would say TURBO, but no you say S/C, It would need to be one heck of a centrifigul charger spining at verry high RPM IMO.
As for fueling this beast, I think 91oct crap-gas isnt going to be enough (400hp on a 1.6 or 1.8 things get a little crazy) E85 is my bet, as long as you have reworked the fuel system.
All in all it's another good teaser to get the site worked up again (been kinda boring around here lately anyhow) Keep up the thinking Jan, there arent many companys making NEW parts for our R53's anymore.
I've worked with some very good people on this and the intercooler is "just right" for what I want to do with it. All details will be released at the end. Patience is a virtue..............
start your own thread..........we don't care................
exactly............let's keep this on topic...........
now let's stay on topic
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Originally Posted by JIMINNI
Not to go off topic, but there are many 400+ whp 1st generation Minis out there, just wanted you to know. But the more the better.
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Originally Posted by checkmate2006
Too lazy to link posts and off the top of my head
ABF Performance - Drag Setup -635whp@~44psi and Time Attack Setup 450whp@~28psi T-only R53
Multiple blown engines over the years
Formerly Brian Whites Black car- 392@~22psi 554whp@unknown T-only R53
Multiple blown engines. Last seen for sale broken on ebay.
Tuls (garaged) - 400whp@~30psi Twincharged R53
Blown up (sorry Tuls)
Kalbone- 303whp@~16psi T-only
Garaged for the last year needing repairs
You guys need to go back and read the original post. This tread is about making 400whp with a "SUPERCHARGER" and nothing more.
Remember, these little cars we love so much are called a Mini Cooper S for a reason. We didn't buy the T model thank god.
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Originally Posted by JIMINNI
Not to go off topic, but there are many 400+ whp 1st generation Minis out there, just wanted you to know. But the more the better.
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Originally Posted by checkmate2006
Too lazy to link posts and off the top of my head
ABF Performance - Drag Setup -635whp@~44psi and Time Attack Setup 450whp@~28psi T-only R53
Multiple blown engines over the years
Formerly Brian Whites Black car- 392@~22psi 554whp@unknown T-only R53
Multiple blown engines. Last seen for sale broken on ebay.
Tuls (garaged) - 400whp@~30psi Twincharged R53
Blown up (sorry Tuls)
Kalbone- 303whp@~16psi T-only
Garaged for the last year needing repairs
You guys need to go back and read the original post. This tread is about making 400whp with a "SUPERCHARGER" and nothing more.
Remember, these little cars we love so much are called a Mini Cooper S for a reason. We didn't buy the T model thank god.
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so 4 cars makes "many"
I'm not even close to 400WHP and chuckle at some of the BS _ I know what it took to get to 204 and be RELIABLE - tis the funnya
you have no idea
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actually I do - the Mini is a toy for me - check out the cover of crawl and the Rock Junction write up for some of the work I normally do . I'm not your typical shade tree boy although you should know that - after all you tuned our Mini
. I'm not your typical shade tree boy although you should know that - after all you tuned our Mini
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How's the wife doing?you missed the point I was talking about.......... this is about superchargers anyways...............
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Bonny is good - she fights me to drive the Mini all the time but also yells at me to slow down she hates when I am pulling the canyon at 70 plus . When will you be back out here ? - We will take you for a beer and diner
Do you have $4K burning your pocket? You can bolt on a twurbo to the R53 and get approximatlely 400 WHP. Here's the link: http://boostkits.com/product_info.php?products_id=481
Now the problem is that 400HP is almost double what the car was designed for, so you will have to spend another $4-6K getting everything beefed up to handled that much HP.
Here's some issues as explained from a serious Mini tuner named "dmocrsi":
R53's rule!
Now the problem is that 400HP is almost double what the car was designed for, so you will have to spend another $4-6K getting everything beefed up to handled that much HP.
Here's some issues as explained from a serious Mini tuner named "dmocrsi":
Right now there are PLENTY of 250WHP R53's on the road that are daily driven with very little maintenance involved. 300whp on a MINI Cooper is not a slow car at all.. it is still easy to handle and will be extremely formidable on a lot of road race courses and canyon runs. If you start getting too much power out of a FWD car you start to run into issues like understeering if you accelerate during turns. You'll also have traction problems if you're not running a soft-tire because when you accelerate all the weight gets off the driving wheels.
You're REALLY going to need to ask yourself what your goals are and BE REALISTIC. If you have 10K AFTER you buy the vehicle then you have plenty of room for upgrades. If you're TRULY looking to get 300-400whp then you should expect to get the RMW Cylinder head, Forged Internals, an Upgraded Fuel System and a Twin-Charge system that can handle the CFM requirements as well as a custom tune. But remember that you'll also need to get into the transmission, differential and axles because even though GETRAG makes a great transmission, it's not going to handle that much abuse.
You're REALLY going to need to ask yourself what your goals are and BE REALISTIC. If you have 10K AFTER you buy the vehicle then you have plenty of room for upgrades. If you're TRULY looking to get 300-400whp then you should expect to get the RMW Cylinder head, Forged Internals, an Upgraded Fuel System and a Twin-Charge system that can handle the CFM requirements as well as a custom tune. But remember that you'll also need to get into the transmission, differential and axles because even though GETRAG makes a great transmission, it's not going to handle that much abuse.
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Do you have $4K burning your pocket? You can bolt on a twurbo to the R53 and get approximatlely 400 WHP. Here's the link: http://boostkits.com/product_info.php?products_id=481
Now the problem is that 400HP is almost double what the car was designed for, so you will have to spend another $4-6K getting everything beefed up to handled that much HP.
Here's some issues as explained from a serious Mini tuner named "dmocrsi":
R53's rule!
Now the problem is that 400HP is almost double what the car was designed for, so you will have to spend another $4-6K getting everything beefed up to handled that much HP.
Here's some issues as explained from a serious Mini tuner named "dmocrsi":
R53's rule!
Jan - you should make sure Ian reads this
Do you have $4K burning your pocket? You can bolt on a twurbo to the R53 and get approximatlely 400 WHP. Here's the link: http://boostkits.com/product_info.php?products_id=481
...Granted I'm going to assume it will cost more than $4k...but the bonus is that it will actually work right!
that you can't turn a high hp Mini?
how can you make 400hp with a stock supercharger?
it could easily work on the stock charger but you would still have to give up your a/c........ Graham from GRS already makes a front mount for the stock supercharger
how can you make 400hp with a stock supercharger?
it could easily work on the stock charger but you would still have to give up your a/c........ Graham from GRS already makes a front mount for the stock supercharger
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GRS's front mount IMHO is not all that thought out. They are using the stock "bullhorns" for the stock I/C and droping the piping down in front of the scoop/radiator. A good perk of what your setup shows is that it ditches the "bullhorns"(and all those 90 degree bends) for a freer flowing design, and proper plumbing. Also with your setup you could do a larger intake manifold or atleast one with longer runners (longer runner length increases TQ), there is plenty of space going up where the top mount crap was. Another downside to the GRS FMIC is the I/C core is F****N HUGE, they even admit to loosing quite a bit of boost, and taking longer than desired to build pressure in that thing.
It would realy be nice if sombody would design a S/C outlet and pipe kit for a front mount and also offer multiple sizes of cores to suit the needs of the car. (Hint,Hint Jan )
I am realy impressed by what I have seen from the pics so far, and I am hoping that it is the big ole TVS 1300 siting nicely under that manifold.
Oh a couple posts back we made history (I think), Thumper actually gave credit to Jans work, and agreed with him. Never saw that one coming.
Another downside to the GRS FMIC is the I/C core is F****N HUGE, they even admit to loosing quite a bit of boost, and taking longer than desired to build pressure in that thing.It would realy be nice if sombody would design a S/C outlet and pipe kit for a front mount and also offer multiple sizes of cores to suit the needs of the car.
(Hint,Hint Jan )I am realy impressed by what I have seen from the pics so far, and I am hoping that it is the big ole TVS 1300 siting nicely under that manifold.
Oh a couple posts back we made history (I think), Thumper actually gave credit to Jans work, and agreed with him. Never saw that one coming.
GRS's front mount IMHO is not all that thought out. They are using the stock "bullhorns" for the stock I/C and droping the piping down in front of the scoop/radiator. A good perk of what your setup shows is that it ditches the "bullhorns"(and all those 90 degree bends) for a freer flowing design, and proper plumbing. Also with your setup you could do a larger intake manifold or atleast one with longer runners (longer runner length increases TQ), there is plenty of space going up where the top mount crap was. Another downside to the GRS FMIC is the I/C core is F****N HUGE, they even admit to loosing quite a bit of boost, and taking longer than desired to build pressure in that thing.
It would realy be nice if sombody would design a S/C outlet and pipe kit for a front mount and also offer multiple sizes of cores to suit the needs of the car. (Hint,Hint Jan )
I am realy impressed by what I have seen from the pics so far, and I am hoping that it is the big ole TVS 1300 siting nicely under that manifold.
Oh a couple posts back we made history (I think), Thumper actually gave credit to Jans work, and agreed with him. Never saw that one coming.
Another downside to the GRS FMIC is the I/C core is F****N HUGE, they even admit to loosing quite a bit of boost, and taking longer than desired to build pressure in that thing.It would realy be nice if sombody would design a S/C outlet and pipe kit for a front mount and also offer multiple sizes of cores to suit the needs of the car.
(Hint,Hint Jan )I am realy impressed by what I have seen from the pics so far, and I am hoping that it is the big ole TVS 1300 siting nicely under that manifold.
Oh a couple posts back we made history (I think), Thumper actually gave credit to Jans work, and agreed with him. Never saw that one coming.
what's on the car is a 30-94 Rotrex which has a mass flow rate of .37kg/s
with longboards car we used the 30-74 which has a mass flow rate of .28kg/s
it made 350whp
as for your other question, making a fmic isn't an issue the way you describe, it's finding enough paying customers to make it........lol