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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 06:31 AM
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Actually, as much as I hate seeing gauges in the car, that is the only gauge I'm interested in. I'll start looking to see if they make a pillar pod housing.

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I have the autometer full sweep electronic gauge with warning light. This is a pretty expensive gauge but the warning light, IMHO, is critical for track use. There are lots of things going on and while I do scan the gauge on straights, it's easy to miss something. A flashing red light definitely gets your attention.

Take a look at the Craven Speed gauge pods. They are pretty nice and don't crap up the look of the car. They also have a nice adapter for the temp probe.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 10:14 AM
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Like some people on this thread. I also have 07 MCS with JCW kit. I would also like to see some Dyno numbers for people with JCW kit. I've been thinking about a RMW tune for awhile and AccessPORT maybe a alternative solution.

The JCW Kit is essentially a really expensive tune with exhaust system with badges. :'(

I'm also anxiously waiting for Mark's result. =D
 
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 10:52 AM
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Like some people on this thread. I also have 07 MCS with JCW kit. I would also like to see some Dyno numbers for people with JCW kit. I've been thinking about a RMW tune for awhile and AccessPORT maybe a alternative solution.

The JCW Kit is essentially a really expensive tune with exhaust system with badges. :'(

I'm also anxiously waiting for Mark's result. =D

I think it would be the same as an s since the jcw flash would be reflashed to the new one... cool intake and exhaust would stay though
 
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 11:33 AM
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Check your temp via a scan gauge or actual temp gauge next time you are on the track. You will notice that by the time you get 1/4 of the way around your out lap that the temp has dropped down to around 185 or so. Even in Texas, where I live, the ECU will be able to maintain within 10-20 degrees of the target temp. After your session is finished and you decrease the load on the engine, you will see coolant temps into the 220-230's by the time you are back in your paddock spot.
That is fascinating and goes against what i've been thinking this whole time It makes sense nonetheless

So, when we are all getting some of that goodness, we should have the a/c on? Am i getting this?
 
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by J_'09s
That is fascinating and goes against what i've been thinking this whole time It makes sense nonetheless

So, when we are all getting some of that goodness, we should have the a/c on? Am i getting this?

Would kinda be a catch 22 though, because the a/c robs some of the horsepower from the motor. It may be my altitude but the a/c seems to make a pretty big difference....

Larry
 
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by J_'09s
That is fascinating and goes against what i've been thinking this whole time It makes sense nonetheless

So, when we are all getting some of that goodness, we should have the a/c on? Am i getting this?
It's actually more like, if your car is getting hot, turn on the A/C to help cool it off. Usually it would get hot when you're going slow or at idle, and turning on the A/C will switch on all the extra fans to get more air through the radiator.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 03:35 PM
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just got dynoed

267 torque and 219 hp

Still at shop. Post dynos later
 

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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MotorMouth
267 torque and 219 hp

Still at shop. Post dynos later
Nice! Were you able to get a stock vs. tune comparison?
 
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by MotorMouth
267 torque and 219 hp

Still at shop. Post dynos later
That's what I am talking about . Congrats...looking forward to the graphs.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by phxsteele
Im curious why there are no 91 octane maps available yet? Isn't that the standard octane that MINI recommends for our cars? I would think that should be at the top of the list.
Well we really really wanted to release the AccessPORT when we did which meant we sacrificed having 91 maps. But we have some guys testing and dyno stuff will follow shortly. Mini recommends premium fuel which for most people in the US is 92 or 93 octane fuel but then you have AZ, CA, NM and a few other areas have crappy 91 fuel. But we are working on this as we speek!

Originally Posted by chakraj
Argh, I have never spent so much money to get a car tunned, first $800.00 on your Unichip, then $850. for a RMW tune, and now your new product has me drooling to get back to an all Alta settup. I really want to see what the AP can do with your Water/Meth system I have hooked up??...and I love all those extra features you guys just posted... I guess I am going to need to start saving again...
I want to see how it works also with Water/Meth! We are able to make big power!

Originally Posted by aaronvb
I just want the pop and burble in my US R56 already! I'm tempted..
This is something we want to add for future updates. While we can do it now, its one of those things that is not 100% perfect. But its close!

Originally Posted by OPC
I might be interested in the Alta tune, but not sure I understand the difference between each "Stage x" for the 2008-2010 MCS manual. What do the various stages mean/include? Is it a tune version or does it pertain to what mods are on the MINI?
I think you got your question answered by another NAM'er. Some of those parts mentioned don't actually require specific maps for the stages. Meaning Stage 1 map doens't need a new map for a catback or intake. And it really doesn't need a map for a intercooler, but we make one that adds a bit more power. Stage 3 is the only map that does require the parts we say, turbo back exhaust and intercooler. Then the intake is one of those parts that is ok to install.

Originally Posted by Clubmaste00
Since Jeff is encouraging questions I have one regarding operating water temps. My 09 Clubbie S water temps run to about 230F (IMHO does not do much for the projected longevity of the motor) Would any of your tunes do anything to help reduce such high operating temps? I know there is a thermostat involved but I'm not sure how much the ECU actually has to do with the water temps.

My current thoughts are to get the ALTA FMIC first and then the AP - can't afford both at the same time.

Thanks
Dennis
Just as it was described coolant temps vary with load. But 220 is normal to see even under extreme load on the dyno. Once out on road i would see 200-210 all the time. But don't be scared of this at all! This is a very efficient engine and it can handle the higher temps. At this time we don't mess with the coolant stuff as it works as it should. In the future we may enable this, but for now, under any kind of load the coolant pump is engaged and running 100% under full throttle.

Originally Posted by onefish2
This is my conundrum. A tune needs to be done with a dyno. That is why its called a "tune." I have a JCW with many mods. See my signature. So Alta providing a canned tune does not interest me.

Those with 09+ factory JCWs are not getting the amazing results with a RMW tune or this new Alta tune because our cars are already tuned to some degree and have engine improvements over those with a Cooper S.

So it not really worth it for me to drop another $800 to get a few more pounds of boot/horse power or torque.

I have put enough time and money into my car. I am going to drive it and enjoy it.

All you cooper guys out there that are stock. I would definitely spend the money on this Alta tune/tool. You are getting a huge bang for your buck.

-Steve
We are offering canned tunes that have been custum tuned on the dyno. Then we are offering them in stages(packages of part) that we feel require a new tune or map. But what most people don't understand is that you don't need to have special maps for certain parts. Most people think that, a catback or boost tubes or some intake requrie a tune. But they don't! There are some parts we may offer a new map for but most of the time its not required. This is because the ECU is very adaptive.

What we are targeting is load. Load consists of many things but RPM, Boost, and airflow is what it really is looking at. So say we are targeting and limiting load to say 100 and this makes 200HP. You can add a bunch of parts that make power, but the ECU will still only run 100 load and 200HP. But what you see is boost going down but the power staying the same. We have to tell the ECU its ok to make 110 load now.

Now all this different terminology can be confusing. While we call them tunes, really they are tuned calibrations for your ECU. The tuned calibration is done with specific parts in mind. One could say custom tuned calibrations are for when you put your car on a dyno and someone makes it special for your car. We all should starting saying Calibrations for the ECU not tunes as tuning is an action. So we are offing the ALTA AccessPORT with tuned calibrations for your Mini that are for specific parts. And of course the tuned calibrations make more power than stock!

Originally Posted by Arnel
I'm an old school turn up the boost controller for more power kinda guy (e.g. in my 300ZX). Low boost setting and high boost setting. Would love to be able to do this in the MINI? Maybe via the sport button?

So I'm getting peak boost of 14.5 lbs right now on my '08 MCSa with the JCW stage 1 tuning kit and a few other mods. When the automatic tunes are done, what kinda boost am I looking at? It's a bang for the buck question I guess. If I can get 8-10 more lbs then it's worth it to me.
We are able to make the sport button make more power, or make less power. At some point we will be offering a large selection of maps that would have this built into them. The problem is right now that there are sooo many different things people want that we want to narrow down what people are really going want. Meaning some people want a spring booster effect, some hate that, then some want the sport button to make more power, but some want it to make less as it always defaults to the non-sport and they want that one to make more power. Or some want the same on both! If we just come out with the calibrations/maps the way we think they should be, it may not suite our customers. I would rather get the AccessPORT out there then get some feedback and then make a global change.

From most customers that have tested the TPS maps, i can already tell that we are going to just change them all to our throttle mapping we have created. Its smoother and less jumpy.

Originally Posted by Ch28Kid
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Like some people on this thread. I also have 07 MCS with JCW kit. I would also like to see some Dyno numbers for people with JCW kit. I've been thinking about a RMW tune for awhile and AccessPORT maybe a alternative solution.

The JCW Kit is essentially a really expensive tune with exhaust system with badges. :'(

I'm also anxiously waiting for Mark's result. =D
Its funny there are a lot of you all of a sudden! For sure we can tune them, but right now we are asking Cooper S, JCW tuned customers to plug into their car first to make sure it can identify it. Then we can get you the map you need.

Originally Posted by Bigprfed22
I think it would be the same as an s since the jcw flash would be reflashed to the new one... cool intake and exhaust would stay though
In the end its still a Cooper S ECU, but its the ECU identification that is what is different. Or at least it has been on a few cars.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 04:05 PM
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Ok, back from the dyno shop. Didn't do any comparisons before and after as the before was a dimsport tune that wasn't making anywhere near as much power. I didn't have the original stock tune to test out. That is still sitting in my dimsport tuners genius machine.

anyway, on to the graphs!




My mods consist of the Alta FMIC, boost gauge, and the Alta AP tune.

edit: here is the boost curve.


The AF went from 13's at low rpm to 11s at higher rpm/boost.
 

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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 04:14 PM
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Jeff, I know my AP is in the mail and you have already provided me with several calibrations/maps. When you mention the "throttle mapping we have created", exactly which mapping are you referring to? The 100% linear, the stock till 30%, then liear, or something else? Thanks.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MotorMouth
Ok, back from the dyno shop. Didn't do any comparisons before and after as the before was a dimsport tune that wasn't making anywhere near as much power. I didn't have the original stock tune to test out. That is still sitting in my dimsport tuners genius machine.

My mods consist of the Alta FMIC, boost gauge, and the Alta AP tune.
Holy Crap that curve is steep!! You are going to need to buy tires soon and often .
 
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MotorMouth
267 torque and 219 hp

Still at shop. Post dynos later
Sounds about right! Send me a log of your dyno runs!
 
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 04:34 PM
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That's pretty insane for a JCW *jaw falling on floor*. I am one to say that i'll wait for long term results, but that right there is really impressive Alta.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaCooperS
Jeff, I know my AP is in the mail and you have already provided me with several calibrations/maps. When you mention the "throttle mapping we have created", exactly which mapping are you referring to? The 100% linear, the stock till 30%, then liear, or something else? Thanks.
The calibration we send that has tps on end is the one that has a linear-ish throttle setting on the non sport button. Then the sport button has a 100% linear map, which feels really good in my opinion. Let me know what you think!

Originally Posted by countryboyshane
That's pretty insane for a JCW *jaw falling on floor*. I am one to say that i'll wait for long term results, but that right there is really impressive Alta.
Finally we are starting to get you to believe!! I love it! Maybe i should just send you one.......to "test out"
 
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 04:56 PM
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Q: Can I back-up my stock ECU mappings to a computer, or do they have to live on the AP while a tune is loaded?

Originally Posted by ALTA2
The problem is right now that there are sooo many different things people want that we want to narrow down what people are really going want.
What I keep seeing repeatedly in this thread (and what I want, myself) is MCS pop & burble.
I hope that's a priority if it's not there already (conflicting posts in here about it).
 
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ALTA2
Maybe i should just send you one.......to "test out"
Don't trust him!

You won't be sending it back.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaCooperS
Jeff, I know my AP is in the mail and you have already provided me with several calibrations/maps. When you mention the "throttle mapping we have created", exactly which mapping are you referring to? The 100% linear, the stock till 30%, then liear, or something else? Thanks.
Jeff, my AP will be here tomorrow but no maps yet . Let me know when to expect them, thanks!
 
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 06:19 PM
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MotorMouth,

Thanks for taking your time and expense and posting your dyno results. Can you let us know what octane fuel you used for your dyno runs.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 06:29 PM
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MotorMouth,

Thanks for taking your time and expense and posting your dyno results. Can you let us know what octane fuel you used for your dyno runs.
92 octane.

weather was about 85-90 degrees

Don't know the humidity but it's cloudy.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 08:30 PM
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Jeff, If there were a AP for R53s , I was wondering if you had done enough research into the R53 ECU to know if all of the R56 features would be available. Specifically Launch Control, It just seems like a fun feature.

I look forward to getting one When you release them .
 
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Old Aug 26, 2010 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ALTA2
The calibration we send that has tps on end is the one that has a linear-ish throttle setting on the non sport button. Then the sport button has a 100% linear map, which feels really good in my opinion. Let me know what you think!

Finally we are starting to get you to believe!! I love it! Maybe i should just send you one.......to "test out"
Yea man. Send me one and send some cash my way for a dyno run before the Michigan winter rolls in
 
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Old Aug 26, 2010 | 08:02 AM
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Thinking outside the box

I will probably get flamed, or ousted for thinking along these lines...but here goes...
I know we are all drooling over the wonderful performance numbers folks are getting (I am very excited about what I am seeing here), but it occurs to me that while you are in there tweaking the ECU would it not also be possible to tune (or calibrate as Jeff says) to enhance fuel economy? Since the AP can hold multiple tunes and only take a minute to update, wouldn't it be nice to be able to load a more fuel efficient tune for your daily drive or before going on a long trip? Might it be possible to have this as the default tune and have the Sport Button switch over to the more aggressive power tune?
As I said, just thinking outside the box...I don't even know if such a thing is possible or would net enough gains to be worth while. On the other hand, if it is possible/worth while, it might open the AP market up to more folks and might even appeal to MC owners as well. I know I could sell the Mrs. on this in a heartbeat!
 
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Old Aug 26, 2010 | 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Slartibartfast
I will probably get flamed, or ousted for thinking along these lines...but here goes...
I know we are all drooling over the wonderful performance numbers folks are getting (I am very excited about what I am seeing here), but it occurs to me that while you are in there tweaking the ECU would it not also be possible to tune (or calibrate as Jeff says) to enhance fuel economy? Since the AP can hold multiple tunes and only take a minute to update, wouldn't it be nice to be able to load a more fuel efficient tune for your daily drive or before going on a long trip? Might it be possible to have this as the default tune and have the Sport Button switch over to the more aggressive power tune?
As I said, just thinking outside the box...I don't even know if such a thing is possible or would net enough gains to be worth while. On the other hand, if it is possible/worth while, it might open the AP market up to more folks and might even appeal to MC owners as well. I know I could sell the Mrs. on this in a heartbeat!
I'm sure Jeff will officially respond to this but I know the answer already. Yes, this is entirely possible. It could be set for fuel economy with or without the sport mode pressed and then have a more aggressive tune with the other setting. I believe Jeff has already mentioned something like this in his prior posts.
I know the threads are getting long now and there are a lot of posts to skim through if you are new to this topic.
 
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