Drivetrain (Cooper S) MINI Cooper S (R56) intakes, exhausts, pulleys, headers, throttle bodies, and any other modifications to the Cooper S drivetrain.

Drivetrain I Want More HP! How can I get it?!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 2, 2010 | 10:13 AM
  #1  
mikemc's Avatar
mikemc
Thread Starter
|
3rd Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 297
Likes: 0
I Want More HP! How can I get it?!

I pretty much got all i could think of and have read about either on the way or installed. Just purchased my Exhaust Depot DP yesterday but I have an addictive, compulsive type A personality and I want more HP! Does anyone have any ideas how I can get the numbers on my R56 I see R53 owners posting? I have seen some R53's getting crazy numbers for there mini's, like 250-300 HP! (arharharh, more power!) Any suggestions?
 
Reply
Old Apr 2, 2010 | 10:35 AM
  #2  
countryboyshane's Avatar
countryboyshane
6th Gear
iTrader: (9)
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 2,568
Likes: 8
From: Bloomfield, MI
If you wanted huge sick power you probably should have bought an R53 and prepared to spend over $8000 in powertrain parts.

I think the highest power R56 on NAM, not counting any big turbo kit experimenters, is James Hunt's JCW. He has done everything available to the powertrain including Water/Meth injection. I also think he's had some head work done with better cams. His is around 240-250whp I think

People trying to experiment with big turbo's have been running into various problems with the ECU, even after expert tuning. In addition, at that point the limits of the internal parts of the engine start to come into question. Hopefully people with deep pockets will be able to show proof of what works/doesn't work.

I think the best advice is to be patient. The R56 is still young compared to all the wizardry done to the R53. Big breakthroughs will probably come through in the next couple of years.
 
Reply
Old Apr 2, 2010 | 10:38 AM
  #3  
countryboyshane's Avatar
countryboyshane
6th Gear
iTrader: (9)
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 2,568
Likes: 8
From: Bloomfield, MI
Oh I forgot, don't forget to start looking at replacing heavy components of the car. Getting rid of the rear seats is a must and there are a lot of lightweight driver and passenger seats on the market. Start gutting the car and dropping weight! I think the curb weight of the R56 is around 2650lbs, and some R53 guys have their car down to around 2300lbs!
 
Reply
Old Apr 2, 2010 | 10:45 AM
  #4  
Sabes's Avatar
Sabes
3rd Gear
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 237
Likes: 0
From: Long Island, NY & Binghamton, NY
And you probably didn't want to deal with CEL's and emissions (which is probably why you got the ED DP) but if you want to get a few more HP, go catless.

I also see you don't have the DOS intake, i've seen a bunch of reviews claiming higher numbers are true with that intake, might want to look into that.

Also might want to check out the new W2A intercooler that DOS has just announced!

Remember though, hp sells cars, tq wins races. You may "only" have 215 whp, but i bet you're close to 250 wtq
 
Reply
Old Apr 2, 2010 | 01:54 PM
  #5  
mikemc's Avatar
mikemc
Thread Starter
|
3rd Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 297
Likes: 0
AAAhhh tq, yes my last dyno (when i got my tune) was around 228... i need more of that too!
 
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2010 | 07:29 AM
  #6  
slinger688's Avatar
slinger688
6th Gear
iTrader: (2)
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 4,329
Likes: 12
mikemc, time to take the car to the track for a good run...
 
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2010 | 08:56 AM
  #7  
DICKS GARAGE R53's Avatar
DICKS GARAGE R53
6th Gear
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,836
Likes: 6
From: North Denver Colorado
Not to stir up a burning bucket-o-$h!t, But have you thought of some BIG injectors and a re-tune to run E85? Turbo's love the corn(epecialy with the high compression MINI gave the R56's)
 
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2010 | 10:31 AM
  #8  
countryboyshane's Avatar
countryboyshane
6th Gear
iTrader: (9)
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 2,568
Likes: 8
From: Bloomfield, MI
There are no "big" injectors yet for the R56. The R56 is still very young compared to the R53.
 
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2010 | 11:35 AM
  #9  
slinger688's Avatar
slinger688
6th Gear
iTrader: (2)
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 4,329
Likes: 12
I think there are new heads and cams that have just come out for the R56. I have not tried them but they are supposed to add lots of HP.
 
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2010 | 12:05 PM
  #10  
ruabadfish2's Avatar
ruabadfish2
1st Gear
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 29
Likes: 1
From: Alpharetta, GA
.
 

Last edited by ruabadfish2; Apr 5, 2010 at 12:10 PM.
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2010 | 01:00 PM
  #11  
mikemc's Avatar
mikemc
Thread Starter
|
3rd Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 297
Likes: 0
Well I ordered my DP from Exhaust Depot and spoke to Hector but he went MIA... No calls or emails returned and no charge on the old CC... I was hoping that with a retune from my flash tool (when ever that comes in) could net me a few more gains... crossing my fingers...
 
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2010 | 01:43 PM
  #12  
czar's Avatar
czar
4th Gear
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 506
Likes: 30
From: UK
Originally Posted by countryboyshane
There are no "big" injectors yet for the R56. The R56 is still very young compared to the R53.
Larger size injectors, are available, however, going this route is not as easy as it seems, neither is it cheap.
 
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2010 | 01:55 PM
  #13  
slinger688's Avatar
slinger688
6th Gear
iTrader: (2)
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 4,329
Likes: 12
Originally Posted by Razc
Larger size injectors, are available, however, going this route is not as easy as it seems, neither is it cheap.
Can you tell us who makes them and maybe a link. Thanks
 
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2010 | 02:48 PM
  #14  
chakraj's Avatar
chakraj
5th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 719
Likes: 0
From: Santa Barbara, Ca
Audi injectors from the high output 2.0 are supposed to work.
 
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2010 | 02:49 PM
  #15  
mikemc's Avatar
mikemc
Thread Starter
|
3rd Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 297
Likes: 0
how much output increase are we talking here? a little for the cost or a lot for the cost? i thought injectors were expensive
 
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2010 | 03:46 PM
  #16  
slinger688's Avatar
slinger688
6th Gear
iTrader: (2)
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 4,329
Likes: 12
Originally Posted by mikemc
how much output increase are we talking here? a little for the cost or a lot for the cost? i thought injectors were expensive
I think from your sig you seem to bequite a ways from needing new injectors. Like I mentioned before, look at heads and cams which are just available.

Of course, think about going to driving school and HPDEs.
 
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2010 | 05:00 PM
  #17  
mikemc's Avatar
mikemc
Thread Starter
|
3rd Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 297
Likes: 0
i def. dont need a driving school... got my timing down just right and know what my mini is capable of... i'm not tracking the car as of now (i get bigger brakes if that was the case and coilovers) but what are HPDE's? thasnks for the advice but i'm curious, why would i be quite a ways from needing injectors? ... i guess i'm not getting it.. heads and cams... i havent read too much about those for an R56... anyone got any news on them or point me to any threads?
 
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2010 | 05:21 PM
  #18  
slinger688's Avatar
slinger688
6th Gear
iTrader: (2)
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 4,329
Likes: 12
HPDE = high performance driver education which is basically track. I am glad you have your timing right. I have been around track people for many years and I do not know anyone who has it consistently.

The people most interested in injectors seem to be those that have larger turbos. With a stage 1 JCW and a few other performance parts including tune, your injectors should be within spec.

You can connect with Dustin at autoxcooper regarding heads and cams for the R56. I found out about this from him. You can also call him at (847) 265 5440.

You already have more than enough equipment to track your car, perhaps just better brake pads. Just learn more and have fun.
 
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2010 | 06:16 PM
  #19  
Porthos's Avatar
Porthos
OVERDRIVE
iTrader: (8)
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 6,455
Likes: 14
From: None yours!
Well with larger injectors you would probably want to invest in a large fuel pump. Also a guy here in Jacksonville does PnP heads for the R53 and R56.
 
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2010 | 10:16 PM
  #20  
ThumperMCS's Avatar
ThumperMCS
6th Gear
iTrader: (2)
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 3,582
Likes: 19
From: OC, CA
Your injectors should be good till 300hp...

...at least rumor has it
 
Reply
Old Apr 6, 2010 | 10:04 AM
  #21  
countryboyshane's Avatar
countryboyshane
6th Gear
iTrader: (9)
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 2,568
Likes: 8
From: Bloomfield, MI
Slinger has the right idea with a new head and cams + retune. That'll make a huge gain!

Of course no one wants to go to a HPDE day! How embarrassing Just kidding. I can't wait to be able to attend one of these. There is always something new to learn and of course controlled and smooth driving, is fast driving.
 
Reply
Old Apr 6, 2010 | 11:11 AM
  #22  
slinger688's Avatar
slinger688
6th Gear
iTrader: (2)
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 4,329
Likes: 12
Originally Posted by countryboyshane
Slinger has the right idea with a new head and cams + retune. That'll make a huge gain!

Of course no one wants to go to a HPDE day! How embarrassing Just kidding. I can't wait to be able to attend one of these. There is always something new to learn and of course controlled and smooth driving, is fast driving.
Driving well is like 50 more hp.
 
Reply
Old Apr 6, 2010 | 12:13 PM
  #23  
Mini'mon's Avatar
Mini'mon
Former Vendor
iTrader: (16)
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 898
Likes: 0
From: San Francisco, CA
Originally Posted by slinger688
Driving well is like 50 more hp.
 
Reply
Old May 6, 2010 | 09:28 AM
  #24  
Dwight Walhood's Avatar
Dwight Walhood
5th Gear
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 857
Likes: 0
From: San Marcos, CA
Originally Posted by mikemc
I pretty much got all i could think of and have read about either on the way or installed. Just purchased my Exhaust Depot DP yesterday but I have an addictive, compulsive type A personality and I want more HP! Does anyone have any ideas how I can get the numbers on my R56 I see R53 owners posting? I have seen some R53's getting crazy numbers for there mini's, like 250-300 HP! (arharharh, more power!) Any suggestions?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!
 
Reply
Old May 6, 2010 | 02:42 PM
  #25  
Porthos's Avatar
Porthos
OVERDRIVE
iTrader: (8)
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 6,455
Likes: 14
From: None yours!
Another thing that I forgot to post is that I heard stickers are worth 25hp per. So that will net you some power.
 
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:00 PM.