Drivetrain (Cooper S) MINI Cooper S (R53) intakes, exhausts, pulleys, headers, throttle bodies, and any other modifications to the Cooper S drivetrain.

Drivetrain 11 second MINI S

Old Nov 19, 2003 | 08:56 PM
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How difficult would it be to have a 11 or 10 second MINI?
How much money would I have to invest?
Could it be done without nitro?
What parts would I have to add?


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Old Nov 19, 2003 | 09:01 PM
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$10,000 if no no2 you would need to build up the engine alot and strip a lot of weight out of the car they are heavy for their size.
 
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Old Nov 19, 2003 | 09:11 PM
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11 or 10 seconds 0-60? That's easy, no parts or modification needed. I think the average of a lot of car magazines are around 7.2 seconds - a lot less than 11 seconds. Cheers!
 
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Old Nov 19, 2003 | 09:36 PM
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well there is a MINI Cooper S that presently runs 13.0's and he has 75 shot of nitrous, Shrick Cam, Header, Exhuast, Alta Air filter, 15% pulley, 15 Rota slipstreams on drag radials he has run 13.9 with out nitrous. TO get into the 12 he has some more plans.
He goes buy the name of 13sec.mini

If you want to go into the 11's 0r 10 in the Quarter you are going to need some more work and at that point I am not so sure how streetable that mini would be
 
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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 05:59 AM
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MiniPoo: I think he means in the 1/4 mile... not 0-60.

Joelite: welcome to MCO (now NAM)....
Getting that last little bit would be tricky and it will definately be expensive. Two companies you may want to talk with are either helix or Randy. There are also a bunch of good companies in the sponsors section.

I'd definately start talking to Eric at helix about their 19% reduction pulley. Another user on this site (Andy) has a 1/4 mile database up and it shows at least some of the mods people have.

Good luck, don't forget to show us pics and let us know what you eventually do.
 
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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 06:11 AM
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You could pull it behind a Top Fuel Dragster.

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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 06:22 AM
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If your talking 10's...would be major major mods and I doubt legal on the street...10 second street cars have always been the goal and there are very few that are street legal. I would think you would need at least 2 litres of engine displacement, probably even more. A 13 second Mini would be very fast in my book and a 10 seconds Mini would feel light years faster...If it could even be done...street legally mind you. If you did manage to pull it off I doubt it would be very dependable and money wise I would say it would cost in excwss of 20K to do it. If you do it...can I go for a ride?
 
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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 06:28 AM
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You can always remove our 1.6L I4 and replace it with 454 V8 engine on the back seat and we will see if this thing can do 10s. hehheheheheheheh
 
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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 06:29 AM
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10 second would be possible, perhaps with. Stripped interior, balanced and blue-printed engine, NOS, turbo/supercharger, racing fuel system?

Or, another nutso idea, why not follow the Clio's sports idea? Put a small
v6 in the back, make it a rear-wheel drive? NOS, perhaps turbo?
Fuel cell in the engine compartment? Light body? Handling would be interesting,
tho...

Doug brings up a very good point, streetable? If you kept front-wheel drive,
not sure how traction would work???

caio,

-Matt
 
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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 06:38 AM
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>>11 or 10 seconds 0-60? That's easy, no parts or modification needed. I think the average of a lot of car magazines are around 7.2 seconds - a lot less than 11 seconds. Cheers!


Wake up, he's talking about 1/4 mile.
 
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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 06:52 AM
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An 11 or 10 second MINI will most likely resemble a MINI from the exterior only, as you will have to remove and replace just about every component with something else.

RWD V6? NOS? How about a JET powered MINI to compete against this Focus!

 
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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 07:41 AM
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11 or 10 seconds 0-60? That's easy, no parts or modification needed.


I don't think 10 seconds is possible in a FWD car is it? Not only would a LSD be required but new axles for sure or they'd snap! Either a turbo V-6 or V-8 would be needed someone in there if you weren't going to use NO2. Even with NO2, you would have to do every performance mod listed anywhere on this site and then some! Oh yeah - you'd also have to remove every last ounce of weight that you could. There's no way it would be street legal. I can't see why you'd want to do this, either.
 
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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 09:18 AM
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11 or 10 seconds 0-60? That's easy, no parts or modification needed.

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>>I don't think 10 seconds is possible in a FWD car is it? Not only would a LSD be required but new axles for sure or they'd snap! Either a turbo V-6 or V-8 would be needed someone in there if you weren't going to use NO2. Even with NO2, you would have to do every performance mod listed anywhere on this site and then some! Oh yeah - you'd also have to remove every last ounce of weight that you could. There's no way it would be street legal. I can't see why you'd want to do this, either.

there are hondas that run 10's that are front wheel drive. in fact i know Stephen papadikis (sp?) runs 8's in his honda
 
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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 09:27 AM
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>>You could pull it behind a Top Fuel Dragster.
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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 09:40 AM
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>>>>11 or 10 seconds 0-60? That's easy, no parts or modification needed. I think the average of a lot of car magazines are around 7.2 seconds - a lot less than 11 seconds. Cheers!
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>>Wake up, he's talking about 1/4 mile.

Oh lighten up, i'm sure he was joking.And like I tell my customers, anythings possible with enough time and money.I think a blown big block chevy and a rear wheel drive conversion with a built powerglide tranny,9 inch,and a tubbed rear would do it.
 
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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 09:45 AM
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>>You could pull it behind a Top Fuel Dragster.
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Or launch it from an aircraft carrier catapult.

And it wouldn't look bad strapped to the top of a Saturn V rocket, either.

 
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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 09:56 AM
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10 or 11 seconds for the 1/4 mile? I think so. How to do it safely without blowing up might be a little tougher and to do it within a certain budget also a little tougher. Does it have to be streetable? You didn't say.

Somethings to do-
Get rid of all excess weight-pull out everything and you'd loose maybe 250+ pounds. Order a striped down MCS with no options-saves money right there- no metallic paint- save $400.
See this thread
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...mp;topic=19250

NOS vs Turbo vs twin SC and giant intercooler?-Take your pick or mix and match. In any case you will needs lots of power and Limited slip differential so you can keep in contact with the pavement.
Read this (320 HP)
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...mp;topic=16512

Superlight wheels with super sticky tires.

Good people to ask this question are Eric Savage from Helix13 and Randy Webb from Webbmotorsports. They don't do turbos but know about what people are doing to push the MINI up above 250 HP.

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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 04:13 PM
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It is definitely doable. Remember way back in 1988 when I think it was pontiac cam out with their quad-four project? It was a tiny little engine, less than 2 liter I think, and the horsepower was obscenely high.

But it would also be exceptionally expensive. Plan on starting by removing the engine from the car. Take it to a good race engine builder. Bore, strok, and balance it. A longer stroke and a bigger bore = more displacement.

While there, tell them to give your head the works. Biggest valves they can fit. 3 angle valve job, and polished and flow tested. Best rockers and camshaft available.

While the engine is apart, you had best harden that crankshaft. Replace the flywheel with a lightweight unit. Better rods and pistons. Race oil pump, and external oil cooler.

You're going to need to get a bigger capacity supercharger. I doubt if anyone has one manufactured yet, so it'll probably be custom. Big $$$. Or you could go turbo... again Big $$$.

Then you'll need a good intake system. And headers. Jackson racing's look like they'd be good. A large diameter straight pipe back with a good race muffler to keep the noise at an acceptable level.

OK, thats the engine. And you're already over $30k (estimate)

Now rip out EVERYTHING inside the car that isn't absolutely necessary. Interrior door pannels, carpet, plastic trim, rear seats, stereo & speakers, headliner... everything!

You're also going to need a new engine management platform. Something completely tuneable and specifically designed for racing. The timing should be adjustable from inside the car while it's idling.

The transmission will need serious re-working to handle the torque and hp the new engine will provide to it. A good LSD will be required, and probably upgraded driveshafts.

Brakes - You'll need some BIG ones. You'll be going fast, and probably want to stop well more than one or two times. So Brembo's, at least.


For sure, absolutely it can be done. But take a look at the inside of some of those 10 second cars. they're pretty sparse inside.

If you're going to do it, don't expect a car that you can, or even want to drive everyday. Wouldn't be streetable without a dot exhaust system anyways.

But if you want to do it, you'll need a really big wallet and a really big garage. But hell, Mini themselves would probably get behind you with a big sponsorship. Go for it! Kick some ***!
 
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