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Old Nov 20, 2009 | 02:02 PM
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Ahhhhh clutch problems

Ok so here's everything in a nutshell...

Clutch went out roughly a year ago. I had a CM FX200 clutch and lightweight flywheel installed. Well now I'm having problems with it slipping.

They seemed to think it was slipping alot worse than I was. I only noticed it a couple of weeks ago when I got on it pretty good and shifted into 2nd around 4500 rpms and the car whined out some before grabbing the gear. I've noticed it a couple of other times but to me its really only noticable when I really get on the car. But if I'm driving like I'm a "normal" person driving I personally don't notice it and it goes into everygear.

So basicly what I'm asking is what should I do? When the clutch was installed the slave cylinder wasn't replaced along with the clutch. But I don't think the slave cylinder would be making it do this.
 
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Old Nov 20, 2009 | 03:03 PM
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I just heard about someone having almost the same exact problem....same clutch....same driving style etc reported.
I believe it is ongoing, but the possible cause was the throw-out bearing was greased at install....an apparent nono with the fx-200. I guess the grease gets thrown off, gets onto the clutch, and since it is an unusual(for a clutch) materal, it wears at a very high rate....
Good luck...I'll update when I hear more.
 
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Old Nov 20, 2009 | 04:10 PM
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How fast is fast? I have roughly 18000 miles on the car since the install (mostly freeway miles). I was thinking of doing the clutch myself this time so how could I tell if the throw-out bearing was greased? Is it as obvious as as like a greased hub bearing?
 
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Old Nov 20, 2009 | 05:32 PM
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I think he only got 5000 miles or so......did you ever do anything that could have glazed the clutch? The fx200 seems like an awsome product by all accounts, except that you only get one chance with it....if you miss a shift on a hill or misjudge a high power shift, once glazed .... It is said it will never recover. Most clutches will usually recover to a certain extent.
Now that I look back...the other failure was first seen a tiny bit on the highway in cruise, then some other minor slipping...it might get swapped out this upcomming week. He also said they could tell the wear level, at least in part due to the release point.
Other than the problem from the wear, it was said to be an awsome clutch, and pretty good for the street especially considering it is supposed to have 2x the life of the stock clutch.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2009 | 11:42 PM
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Yeah that person is me. I actually only got 6,000, maybe 7,000 miles out of the clutch. Same set up = Clutch Masters Fx200 and Clutch Masters flywheel.

ZippyNH got most of it right, but I will have to disagree on how "easy" it is to glaze the clutch. I highly doubt a miss shift, or a misjudge will glaze the clutch. I was told from the vendor who sold me that clutch, that the only way I can glaze the clutch this quickly is if I slip the clutch constantly or drag race daily or do a load of burn outs; I did none of the following. Easy to glaze? Probably not. Sensitive to foreign contamination? More likely. But it is true, that the material on the clutch disk cannot recover once it is glazed. But same can be said for most aftermarket street performance/race performance clutches.

The person I bought it from told me that he's seen many cases where the clutch fails early because grease is used when installing the throwout bearing. This grease then splatters on the kevlar material on the clutch disk, contaminating it and decreasing it's life significantly.

My MINI is at my mechanics, and the whole clutch kit and flywheel will be pulled out and then shipped back to Clutch Masters for their inspection. Shoot me a PM and I'll update you on what I hear.

In case your interested; here were my symptoms the occurred in sequence:
1. Minor slippage at 6th when giving throttle.
2. Slippage when the engine is cold in all gears, when given hard throttle.
3. Realization of significantly higher biting point on the clutch pedal.
4. No slippage if driven regularly while cold.
5. No slippage when the engine is hot in all gears, when given hard throttle.
6. No slippage if driven regularly while hot.
7. Slippage in all gears, regardless of temperature, when given hard throttle.
 

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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 08:48 AM
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Thanks...I stand corrected. The correct info usually comes from the scource, sorry about muddeying up the waters with my seconhand account. Good luck.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by MrCooperS
In case your interested; here were my symptoms the occurred:
1. Minor slippage at 6th when giving throttle.
2. Slippage when the engine is cold in all gears, when given hard throttle.
3. Realization of significantly higher biting point on the clutch pedal.
4. No slippage if driven regularly while cold.
5. No slippage when the engine is hot in all gears, when given hard throttle.
6. No slippage if driven regularly while hot.
7. Slippage in all gears, regardless of temperature, when given hard throttle.
You do realise that #7 is contradicted by #5 right ?
 
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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by WolfGTI
You do realise that #7 is contradicted by #5 right ?
Yes I do. I wrote them in sequence to show that the clutch has gotten worse relatively quickly.
 
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