Drivetrain RMW Street Header Dyno
lol im not even gonna start...people constantly crying about the SES light...for cripes sakes its just a nuisance...been running with that light on for months with no problem at all...and seriously this data can only be taken with a grain of salt because there is no consistant data from more than one vehicle to prove this fact...like what some have posted in here there would have to be a test of in the same conditions with the same set up and etc to get a consensus...plus every mini engine is diff...some respond stronger than others...just take a look at Kelli Viselli's MINI...fact is this is just more fuel to the fire
lol im not even gonna start...people constantly crying about the SES light...for cripes sakes its just a nuisance...been running with that light on for months with no problem at all...and seriously this data can only be taken with a grain of salt because there is no consistant data from more than one vehicle to prove this fact...like what some have posted in here there would have to be a test of in the same conditions with the same set up and etc to get a consensus...plus every mini engine is diff...some respond stronger than others...just take a look at Kelli Viselli's MINI...fact is this is just more fuel to the fire
I think you have a screw loose, and not because you like the SES light either
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lol im not even gonna start...people constantly crying about the SES light...for cripes sakes its just a nuisance...been running with that light on for months with no problem at all...and seriously this data can only be taken with a grain of salt because there is no consistant data from more than one vehicle to prove this fact...like what some have posted in here there would have to be a test of in the same conditions with the same set up and etc to get a consensus...plus every mini engine is diff...some respond stronger than others...just take a look at Kelli Viselli's MINI...fact is this is just more fuel to the fire
It's a steal $850 shipped.
Understandable, and yes there will be a torque drop from max to rev, however ~40 tq loss is significant and shouldn't be overlooked... I most certainly wouldn't accept that much loss everytime i passed 5K rpm... but that's me.
Is it possible you may also '...have no idea how the math works or doesn't work...' when it comes to the delta of the graphs that M3NTAL has spent his time and money to get and share? Its information, take it or leave it...
Is it possible you may also '...have no idea how the math works or doesn't work...' when it comes to the delta of the graphs that M3NTAL has spent his time and money to get and share? Its information, take it or leave it...
In my cars situation - it only makes twenty something foot pounds of torque LESS than it made at its "PEAK"
The torque curve WILL naturally roll off at the top end, but what AZ Black Out is trying to say (I think) is that the particular car you posted has a larger roll off than normal.
Does that help explain it at all?
Understandable, and yes there will be a torque drop from max to rev, however ~40 tq loss is significant and shouldn't be overlooked... I most certainly wouldn't accept that much loss everytime i passed 5K rpm... but that's me.
Is it possible you may also '...have no idea how the math works or doesn't work...' when it comes to the delta of the graphs that M3NTAL has spent his time and money to get and share? Its information, take it or leave it...
Is it possible you may also '...have no idea how the math works or doesn't work...' when it comes to the delta of the graphs that M3NTAL has spent his time and money to get and share? Its information, take it or leave it...
Can you help Intense out and answer the TQ drop off question AZblack? I could but I really want to here it from you.
We will all wait while you call back to headquarters to give us your answer.
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I think Mynes and associates of theirs should not be involved in my thread: as it has nothing to do with them honestly.
It is a free world if they want in here, but it is better that they don't since this does not involve them at.
It is a free world if they want in here, but it is better that they don't since this does not involve them at.
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Do you honestly think we can't see though this entire thread, and what it's primary purpose is?
I've got to applaud Jan, for sticking busy with his work and filling orders, rather then dirty himself once again to get sucked into this online witch-hunting.
Karnac says... there will soon be a post from you about HOW MUCH POWER the Mynes header makes, once you install that.
Good for you.
I've got to applaud Jan, for sticking busy with his work and filling orders, rather then dirty himself once again to get sucked into this online witch-hunting.
Karnac says... there will soon be a post from you about HOW MUCH POWER the Mynes header makes, once you install that.
Good for you.
Do you honestly think we can't see though this entire thread, and what it's primary purpose is?
I've got to applaud Jan, for sticking busy with his work and filling orders, rather then dirty himself once again to get sucked into this online witch-hunting.
Karnac says... there will soon be a post from you about HOW MUCH POWER the Mynes header makes, once you install that.
Good for you.
I've got to applaud Jan, for sticking busy with his work and filling orders, rather then dirty himself once again to get sucked into this online witch-hunting.
Karnac says... there will soon be a post from you about HOW MUCH POWER the Mynes header makes, once you install that.
Good for you.
So, what you are saying is that my primary purpose is something other than saying my stock manifold makes more than the RMW unit? Or is there something deeper I am missing?
Any way you look at it - it discredits the RMW unit? I could tell you that I put cardboard tubes in my exhaust ports that made more power than the RMW - would you assume I was working with Bounty? "The Quicker Picker Upper"
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M3NTAL, just out of curiosity, how old was your air filter when you dynoed? The reason I ask, and this is just a theory, is that if it was dirty, it could explain the RMW's showing. My rashional is that the RMW thrives at higher rpm's, where a dirty air filter would have the most negative effect, and might not affect the stock manifold as badly. Just throwing that out there to come up with a plausible reason for the disparity
M3NTAL, just out of curiosity, how old was your air filter when you dynoed? The reason I ask, and this is just a theory, is that if it was dirty, it could explain the RMW's showing. My rashional is that the RMW thrives at higher rpm's, where a dirty air filter would have the most negative effect, and might not affect the stock manifold as badly. Just throwing that out there to come up with a plausible reason for the disparity
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From: Utard
I believe that it drops off like that because I ran out of fuel. I am running 380 injectors and thought they would be sufficient for my mods, but it turns out I was wrong. Now I have to get some bigger injectors and get the MINI re-tuned to see what it is capable of.
It looks like the stepping stones are in the correct places for your car - just a couple more and you'll be doing some quite awesome numbers!
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Today I had an opportunity to do a back to back dyno of only one single component; that component being the RMW street header.
My local speed shop was willing to let me do a dyno run with the RMW Street header before I installed my stock exhaust manifold back in the car.
The current modifications on the car are as follow.
2005 JCW MCS
Alta JCW Air Filter
Alta Silicone Intake Tube
Newman Camshaft
Mynes Dyno Tune for RMW Header/Newman Cam
RMW Header / Stock Manifold
The only variance between this Dyno chart is just the exhaust manifold.
The final numbers are not really that important, but the "delta" between the two is what is important.
As you can see in the graph, the solid red line is the stock exhaust manifold while the dotted red line is the RMW Street Header.
Same goes with the torque - solid blue line is stock and dotted is RMW Street Header.
I have made the graph as large as the server allows, but if you can not read it - it basically shows that the stock exhaust manifold has both higher HP/TQ peak numbers, but also a smoother top and bottom end with the midrange being similar.
Prost
-M3NTAL-
My local speed shop was willing to let me do a dyno run with the RMW Street header before I installed my stock exhaust manifold back in the car.
The current modifications on the car are as follow.
2005 JCW MCS
Alta JCW Air Filter
Alta Silicone Intake Tube
Newman Camshaft
Mynes Dyno Tune for RMW Header/Newman Cam
RMW Header / Stock Manifold
The only variance between this Dyno chart is just the exhaust manifold.
The final numbers are not really that important, but the "delta" between the two is what is important.
As you can see in the graph, the solid red line is the stock exhaust manifold while the dotted red line is the RMW Street Header.
Same goes with the torque - solid blue line is stock and dotted is RMW Street Header.
I have made the graph as large as the server allows, but if you can not read it - it basically shows that the stock exhaust manifold has both higher HP/TQ peak numbers, but also a smoother top and bottom end with the midrange being similar.
Prost
-M3NTAL-
PS: Don't know if it make's a difference but it was 96 degrees with 88% humidity that day too...
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EDIT - RSR runs the RMW race header.
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From: Utard
Now if only I could get the money holder to release some more funds to me before she goes hog wild on the house! I would love to see a new head and some better handling.
Were you at all happy with these numbers after a tune? Mine dynoed 188 tq without a cam or header, just what's listed below and a Jan tune. Love to see what your car would do with an RMW tune!
PS: Don't know if it make's a difference but it was 96 degrees with 88% humidity that day too...
PS: Don't know if it make's a difference but it was 96 degrees with 88% humidity that day too...
Yes I am very happy with my numbers. As you know - it is not about the numbers, but the deltas. You should know this - as RMW preaches this and they tuned your car.
What type of dyno did you use if you don't mind me asking? The dyno dynamics that Jan uses often reads at the hub, so the numbers are to be different than a mustang or similar dyno that reads at the wheels.
Again, the dyno is just part of the scientific process. It is used to verify that the changes are taking effect and to what extent.