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Old Apr 5, 2009 | 09:17 AM
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again the mynes riders come in spouting off nonsense about their mad skillz with Evo's...and i say it again...who gives a rats a** about how many evo's you have tuned...evo tuners are a dime a dozen...nothing new there...its not hard to throw a bigger turbo in an evo and go make gobs of hp...from what i have seen your no AMS
i dont care what you do with evo's...i wanna know what you do with MINIs
and pls knock off all the talk about standalone's....jan doesnt use them for his tunes and is able to make magic happen...just look at Kelli Viselli's MINI in MC2...267whp on a stock bottom end...and its a awesome street car...no piggyback or standalone there...because its unnecessary...

oh and minimarks u are correct...mynes first order of business when he came in here was to issue an open challenge to Jan...then changed the rules and then chickened out...not exactly the best way to start here

and i want to see a real world tune...on 91-93 octane petrol...i want to tune using a fuel that is readily available everywhere! i have been driving around here in the tampa bay area for awhile and have seen maybe one or two E85 capable stations...i want a tune that i can drive cross country in and no matter where i am (big city or middle of nowhere) i know i can fill up... E85 hasnt been accepted to the point where it is at every gas station...and until it is i want petrol tunes (besides the corn ethanol here is garbage...no gas mileage..sugar cane E is better)

and on another note...the 550cc injectors...really i mean really are they that necessary to the tune? the highest i have seen jan use for his tunes are 440's and that is with all his goodies on the car and it seems to run just fine...is its just because ur an evo shop and have a surplus of these?

and my final issue is the lack of torque that was skirted around...i wanna know why jan's tune can produce gobs of torque but your tune is on average 20+lb ft less...and dont tell me about dyno this and that...i can tell by looking at the dyno numbers and graphs that the there is something wrong in the torque band...if u seriously need to look take a peek at the RMW dyno graphs compared to the Mynes...u see a marked difference
 
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Old Apr 5, 2009 | 10:07 AM
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YellowBristol: Just look at the dyno graph below and answer this one question: What is the Delta of these curves from Peak to Peak?
 
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Old Apr 5, 2009 | 10:21 AM
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well, YellowBristol, do u have the answer? is not a trick question or a calculus problem, just simple addition and subtraction. Use a calculator if you'd like, i don't consider that cheating. Or do u need to make a call to HQ to confirm your answer?
 
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Old Apr 5, 2009 | 10:35 AM
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Yup I remember those conversations, never did and never will my brain can get me in enough trouble as it is
Go climb back under that rock you came out from under Paul. Jan was your good buddy when you needed something but as soon as you didn't you turned into the snake you are.

Look at you here on NAM. You are a vendor without paying fees like you should. You walk the line PMing people and selling things threw the back door into the US. Why the other vendors and NAM allows this is beyond me.

So again Paul, go climb back under that rock!

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Old Apr 5, 2009 | 10:53 AM
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well, YellowBristol, do u have the answer? is not a trick question or a calculus problem, just simple addition and subtraction. Use a calculator if you'd like, i don't consider that cheating. Or do u need to make a call to HQ to confirm your answer?
i see what is going on...nice try mike...but u didnt answer my other questions...just like last time and the time before that you and ur buddies skirted the issue
 
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Old Apr 5, 2009 | 10:54 AM
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Go climb back under that rock you came out from under Paul. Jan was your good buddy when you needed something but as soon as you didn't you turned into the snake you are.

Look at you here on NAM. You are a vendor without paying fees like you should. You walk the line PMing people and selling things threw the back door into the US. Why the other vendors and NAM allows this is beyond me.

So again Paul, go climb back under that rock!

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Old Apr 5, 2009 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by yellowbritishrocket
i see what is going on...nice try mike...but u didnt answer my other questions...just like last time and the time before that you and ur buddies skirted the issue
this is nothing technical, just a simple math question... why am i obligated to give you a technical answer when u can't even give me a straight interpretation on two graphs? It's a forum, let's exchange ideas... what r u afraid of :D
 
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Old Apr 5, 2009 | 11:24 AM
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This will never stop I see...

Originally Posted by yellowbritishrocket
again the mynes riders come in spouting off nonsense about their mad skillz with Evo's...and i say it again...who gives a rats a** about how many evo's you have tuned...evo tuners are a dime a dozen...nothing new there...its not hard to throw a bigger turbo in an evo and go make gobs of hp...from what i have seen your no AMS
i dont care what you do with evo's...i wanna know what you do with MINIs
and pls knock off all the talk about standalone's....jan doesnt use them for his tunes and is able to make magic happen...just look at Kelli Viselli's MINI in MC2...267whp on a stock bottom end...and its a awesome street car...no piggyback or standalone there...because its unnecessary...

oh and minimarks u are correct...mynes first order of business when he came in here was to issue an open challenge to Jan...then changed the rules and then chickened out...not exactly the best way to start here

and i want to see a real world tune...on 91-93 octane petrol...i want to tune using a fuel that is readily available everywhere! i have been driving around here in the tampa bay area for awhile and have seen maybe one or two E85 capable stations...i want a tune that i can drive cross country in and no matter where i am (big city or middle of nowhere) i know i can fill up... E85 hasnt been accepted to the point where it is at every gas station...and until it is i want petrol tunes (besides the corn ethanol here is garbage...no gas mileage..sugar cane E is better)

and on another note...the 550cc injectors...really i mean really are they that necessary to the tune? the highest i have seen jan use for his tunes are 440's and that is with all his goodies on the car and it seems to run just fine...is its just because ur an evo shop and have a surplus of these?

and my final issue is the lack of torque that was skirted around...i wanna know why jan's tune can produce gobs of torque but your tune is on average 20+lb ft less...and dont tell me about dyno this and that...i can tell by looking at the dyno numbers and graphs that the there is something wrong in the torque band...if u seriously need to look take a peek at the RMW dyno graphs compared to the Mynes...u see a marked difference

What you fail to realize, we didn't chicken out on this race event Yellow croniee... We stepped aside off that thread because of all the arguing, and we will see him at the track event no more talking about it. But since you think the thread is dead we chicken out. Well you are in for a big surprise my friend.

And you talk about standalones, you have no idea what you are talking about AGAIN.... We never used a standalone on a supercharged MINI. Only big horsepower turbo MINI's. Even your MINI God using a standalone on his TVS MINI, so Jan can do it, but we can't huh? NAM if we do, and NAM if we don't, I see how that goes. And about these dyno numbers, again not going to try to explain something to someone that doesn't understand about different dynos and how torque relates to horsepower, it's like talking to a tree and only reacts when the wind blows. You would never get it, because you don't want to get it. Plain and simple. All this torque and horsepower numbers will be proven at the track. Matter of fact it's been proven all ready with Bob Scheer's car, spinning tires all over the track and still ran 2.00 flat at buttonwillow with a "Mynes tuned...is yours?" Until you guys beat that, then you can talk all the smack you want. Until then, it's all talk. I can see it now, you are getting mad now and another silly post is coming up soon from one of you.

The reason I post into this thread again, because of personal attacks with mynes name in the thread again we must be a huge threat to you guys. If you make good products and making alot of power than us, then what's the problem then? Why not just leave it alone and finish what the thread was originally and leave MYNES out of it and you won't see me here. But, if you want to continue this stuff, be my guest, just don't get upset when you slap someone and you get slapped right back. I know you guys are use to doing this stuff to other vendors for years in the past and got away with it. It's not going to happen here with mynes. If something is addressed to Jan, then Jan needs to respond not you, LB, and not others. And I sent LB a private message on this issue, and if you guys see in our threads making silly attacks against RMW, you are free to come in and post and I think that is fair.

So boys are we finally done with this s^%t or what?
 
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Old Apr 5, 2009 | 11:53 AM
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Go climb back under that rock you came out from under Paul. Jan was your good buddy when you needed something but as soon as you didn't you turned into the snake you are.

Look at you here on NAM. You are a vendor without paying fees like you should. You walk the line PMing people and selling things threw the back door into the US. Why the other vendors and NAM allows this is beyond me.

So again Paul, go climb back under that rock!

Longboard

Please can you show me on my bank account where I have received all these sums of money from these sales what you know so much about.

Please show the whole of NAM all these PM's as well.

Stick to known facts LB like I do , if you haven't got any keep your fingers off the keyboard.
 
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Old Apr 5, 2009 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by yellowbritishrocket
again the mynes riders come in spouting off nonsense about their mad skillz with Evo's...and i say it again...who gives a rats a** about how many Ev's you have tuned...
Well, being a well-rounded tuner who knows more than just one type of forced induction car (Sprays, Ev's, Subaru's, Minni's), we have the experience to back up our statement. To say that the a SC mini can run 2.00.00 at Button willow is laughable b/c we have ran cars out there before and know (first hand) what it takes to run 2.00.00 on that track. Yeah, u don't care about our experience b/c we tune evos and STi's in addition to Mini's.. But we can extrapolate from our experience and know what the heck we are talking about. This is when outside experience really counts b/c we know the limitations of a lot of these cars. HM, how did he come up with 2.00.00 flat

If you choose to, just believe what your 'Mini god' tells you as the honest truth and nothing but truth b/c everybody else who questions his statements are 'bashers'... I'm just asking pointed questions to get to the truth, is something i learned in my critical thinking class in college.

Originally Posted by yellowbritishrocket
oh and minimarks u are correct...mynes first order of business when he came in here was to issue an open challenge to Jan...then changed the rules and then chickened out...not exactly the best way to start here
Every time Jan gets called out, what does he do... 'no show'... Originally, he invited me to run at Buttonwillow to show what we can do... i told him "no" b/c i'll be at AMVIV. See below:


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In case you can't read from the above, here's what he said:
"no need for PM
just show up to the track with the best you have

I will be there with a street car...."

Did your man show up at Buttonwillow as promised? NO.

We will bring our turbo R53 out to Willow Springs in May for the Redline Time Attack. Is Jan going to show up, probably not. He'll probably come up with some excuse about doing some more R&D on the TVS or shipping out some more RMW headers to replace the ones that are throwing CEL I personally know two customers here in Phx who are having that problem so i'm not talking out of my a$$ like some folks on here.

Originally Posted by yellowbritishrocket
and i want to see a real world tune...on 91-93 octane petrol...i want to tune using a fuel that is readily available everywhere! i have been driving around here in the tampa bay area for awhile and have seen maybe one or two E85 capable stations...i want a tune that i can drive cross country in and no matter where i am (big city or middle of nowhere) i know i can fill up... E85 hasnt been accepted to the point where it is at every gas station...and until it is i want petrol tunes (besides the corn ethanol here is garbage...no gas mileage..sugar cane E is better)
We have plenty of customers running on 91 with our tunes, but IN ADDITION to that, we can do E85 as well. It's an OPTION, not a requirement. Maybe that's too hard to get thru your left and right ears

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and on another note...the 550cc injectors...really i mean really are they that necessary to the tune? the highest i have seen jan use for his tunes are 440's and that is with all his goodies on the car and it seems to run just fine...is its just because ur an evo shop and have a surplus of these?
Again, if you've done your homework, you will know that Evo injectors do NOT work on Mini's. You don't believe it, Google it.

These are OE Bosch Injectors and not Mynes rebadged injectors; i can sell you the 440s for $350 a set or you can buy a set of the Bosch for $300...(RMW customers get a special price of $325/set since you guys equate "Quality to Pricing")... I'm a business man, i don't mind the extra profit at all

Let me ask you this: If you have $1 and you can either buy ONE pound of 75% lean ground beef or TWO pounds of 85% lean ground beef, which one would you choose? You probably choose ONE pound just for principle b/c you don't believe in killing animals for food.

I've answered this question many times, read it again here and stop asking the same question 5 times (Post #3), you'll get the same answer each time: https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ur-mcs-20.html


Originally Posted by yellowbritishrocket
and my final issue is the lack of torque that was skirted around...i wanna know why jan's tune can produce gobs of torque but your tune is on average 20+lb ft less...and dont tell me about dyno this and that...i can tell by looking at the dyno numbers and graphs that the there is something wrong in the torque band...if u seriously need to look take a peek at the RMW dyno graphs compared to the Mynes...u see a marked difference
Do your math homework on that graph i posted and you will find your answer. This is a higher learning forum and not grammar school, i can't just 'give' you all the answers. Sometimes you must find out on your own... young grasshopper
 
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Old Apr 5, 2009 | 01:08 PM
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don't feel bad Mike,

We have been buried with header orders and exhausts, not to mention custom projects.... no time to work on my car to get it ready for Buttonwillow like we had planned.... no need to worry.... We WILL GO SUB 2:00

so talk all the sh@t while you still can


still sore about not selling your headers huh..........

why bother spending $650+ for your header, you can get the same performance from ebay for $85 add the V-band and feel much better about the cost
 

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Old Apr 5, 2009 | 01:17 PM
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Dont forget Jan all those magazines have 1/4 mile 0-60 in gear times etc etc as well.

Cant wait to see yours
 
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Originally Posted by Revolution Mini Works
We have been buried with header orders and exhausts, not to mention custom projects....
Yeah, u r busy making new headers to send out to replace the old ones that are throwing CEL's and leaky gaskets... It's a poorly designed unit and you know it. Why should i feel bad

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no time to work on my car to get it ready for Buttonwillow like we had planned.... no need to worry.... We WILL GO SUB 2:00
O, in order to run sub-2:00, you have to first make it out to the tracks you have a history of making excuses for not making it to track events, i c that hasn't changed much

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why bother spending $650+ for your header, you can get the same performance from ebay for $85 add the V-band and feel much better about the cost
And people should spend $850 to get your "Revolution" header... did you tell your customers what that really means? It means every few months, there's a fix to Revolutionize the old header... 1st the J-Pipe for the O2, then wire extension for the O2; if that doesn't work, well how about another "Revolution" header. Instead of doing the same stuff over and over, why not evolve to the new design and do a v-band... o wait, somebody has done that already.

O, our V-band headers are $699 intro and $799 Regular price. I will price-match $850 if someone wants to pay the same price as the RMW header without the revolution fixes.
 

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Old Apr 5, 2009 | 01:44 PM
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nice to see how butt hurt you really are.... thanks for clarifying Mike


thanks also for showing on your inflated dyno that the RMW outperforms....

I will even edit the edit since every post I make back to you Mike deserves multiple edits to make you feel at home

here.. let's even edit it again so you can see everyone can do it too as the time arises....


check back in another half hr I will edit again
 

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Old Apr 5, 2009 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Revolution Mini Works
thanks also for showing on your inflated dyno that the RMW outperforms....
Since your boi won't answer the question, can you tell me what the Delta is between these torque curves (from Peak to Peak)?

 
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Old Apr 5, 2009 | 02:02 PM
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What you fail to realize, we didn't chicken out on this race event Yellow croniee... We stepped aside off that thread because of all the arguing, and we will see him at the track event no more talking about it. But since you think the thread is dead we chicken out. Well you are in for a big surprise my friend.

And you talk about standalones, you have no idea what you are talking about AGAIN.... We never used a standalone on a supercharged MINI. Only big horsepower turbo MINI's. Even your MINI God using a standalone on his TVS MINI, so Jan can do it, but we can't huh? NAM if we do, and NAM if we don't, I see how that goes. And about these dyno numbers, again not going to try to explain something to someone that doesn't understand about different dynos and how torque relates to horsepower, it's like talking to a tree and only reacts when the wind blows. You would never get it, because you don't want to get it. Plain and simple. All this torque and horsepower numbers will be proven at the track. Matter of fact it's been proven all ready with Bob Scheer's car, spinning tires all over the track and still ran 2.00 flat at buttonwillow with a "Mynes tuned...is yours?" Until you guys beat that, then you can talk all the smack you want. Until then, it's all talk. I can see it now, you are getting mad now and another silly post is coming up soon from one of you.

The reason I post into this thread again, because of personal attacks with mynes name in the thread again we must be a huge threat to you guys. If you make good products and making alot of power than us, then what's the problem then? Why not just leave it alone and finish what the thread was originally and leave MYNES out of it and you won't see me here. But, if you want to continue this stuff, be my guest, just don't get upset when you slap someone and you get slapped right back. I know you guys are use to doing this stuff to other vendors for years in the past and got away with it. It's not going to happen here with mynes. If something is addressed to Jan, then Jan needs to respond not you, LB, and not others. And I sent LB a private message on this issue, and if you guys see in our threads making silly attacks against RMW, you are free to come in and post and I think that is fair.

So boys are we finally done with this s^%t or what?
Post like this do really help shore up Mynes' credibility, please continue. Thoughtful, insightful, informative and very professional...
 

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Old Apr 5, 2009 | 02:12 PM
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Post like this do really help shore up Mynes' credibility, please continue. Thoughtful, insightful, informative and very professional...
Bravo and Jan's post to Mike about our headers is not? Come on guys? You are a happy RMW customer why are you going back and fourth with us then?
 

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Old Apr 5, 2009 | 02:44 PM
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because i know jan is the real deal...the 420 code is merely a nuisance code...it doesnt affect the car at all...some people are just afraid of the SES light...ive been running with that light on for a few months CROSS COUNTRY and not one issue at all...jan stands by his product and has come through on many occasions...

oh and jan is doing something different besides just throwing a turbo at it...hey lets put a turbo on something and make hp....how sterotypical of import tuners

oh and mike u did buster out...you came in an issued a challenge and then wanted to change the rules when u saw what jan was brining...there is a reason why we stand behind him and continue to purchase his products and services...because we know it works...sure there are hiccups along the way but they get fixed

oh and nice try on the trick mike...jans tunes make top TQ up top...which for those of us who have the longer geared trans enjoy because when the newer ones start to peter out we can push it that much further
 
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refer to previous post...mike came in like a sterotypical import tuner..trying to get into a pissing match with jan from the get go instead of just putting his product out and let people come to him...and when mike got d*** slammed by jan he got butthurt then sicked his nut riders(u call me a cronee i respond in kind) on nam to try and start a tuning house battle...only thing is jan is firmly established here so its like trying to dig a mole out of the ground
 
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Old Apr 5, 2009 | 03:27 PM
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and when mike got d*** slammed by jan he got butthurt then sicked his nut riders(u call me a cronee i respond in kind)
Anyone remember the Komodo??? .....sheesh
 
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Old Apr 5, 2009 | 03:35 PM
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i see what is going on...nice try mike...but u didnt answer my other questions...just like last time and the time before that you and ur buddies skirted the issue
It the classic "redirection" in communications.
 
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What you fail to realize, we didn't chicken out on this race event Yellow croniee...

just don't get upset when you slap someone and you get slapped right back. I know you guys are use to doing this stuff to other vendors for years in the past and got away with it. It's not going to happen here with mynes.
You know Jason?

I actually am losing respect for you seeing these types of comments.
I actually really respected what you have said in the majority of your posts here. Typically, they are well thought out, and informative. Seeing this type of thing knocks you down a level or two man. Take that for what its worth.

The name calling and saying your not going to take this abuse from NAM members means what exactly? That your going to mash keys on your keyboard until you feel better? Does it mean your going to name call and verbally abuse people?

Come on man, stick to the informative, knowledgeable tuner that you came across as before. Think about it
 
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Old Apr 5, 2009 | 03:48 PM
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i do remember the komodo

oh i know its a classic misdirection

when it comes down mike doesnt really have a leg to stand on and his challenges and grand standing has hurt him before he even had a chance to show himself

oh btw...IM ON A BOAT...ON A BOAT...TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THE M'Fin BOAT!
 
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Old Apr 5, 2009 | 04:56 PM
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oh and nice try on the trick mike...jans tunes make top TQ up top...which for those of us who have the longer geared trans enjoy because when the newer ones start to peter out we can push it that much further
Learn to interpret things.. He's not saying to look at the numbers in lower portion of the RPM band. He's telling you to look at PEAK numbers, peak being up top on Jan's tune and peak being somewhere near 4k without the tune. You'll notice peak torque increased by about 20, not 40 like you may, or may not be, interpreting from the dyno graph...

Before you call me a Mynes cronie keep in mind I'm looking at products from BOTH vendors. Simply tired of your remarks which have no real backing or merit. I do hope you can make it out to the tune party in South Florida if it happens. Then we can compare cars and hell, you can even drive mine pre/post tune so you can experience firsthand the results of a Mynes tune.
 

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Why all the nastiness, and let's not hear a "he said, therefore we said" explanation? Some quite legitimate questions have been asked, and some, but not all of them, have been answered. NAM is notorious for those posters using ad hominem arguments, and, IMO, such practices go to degrade the quality and respectability of the forum. Suggestion---technical inquiries require technical responses.

Some people like and are satisfied with RMW products/service, and some people like and are satisfied with Mynes & ABF products/service. What's the big deal? Yes, customer loyalty is important , but, IMO, there's still plenty of room out there for different products and different approaches.

Just my $0.02, and thanks for listening....
 
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