When and why did this thread turn so hostile?

 

No problem it's a free country but to base your business model on drag racing Mini coopers is not a sound way to run a business

I will start another thread dedicated to educating people on the differences of power under the curve

It seems many don't understand this concept

 

Edit...
this is beyond a community forum...

 

So what turbo are you using to get 365whp/308tq on 13psi? And let's see the "BOOST" curve on that DynoDynamic graph? My buddy has a DynoDynamic dyno and i know you can show the boost curve on the graph.

 

Well, to be honest, race cars are designed to RACE. If you don't want it to break, then don't RACE it... and if you race it, then expect things to break... and a lot of times, it does.

There's a lot of stress on the drive train in both road race and drag racing. It's easy to post Dyno Numbers all day long behind the PC claiming the crown. I can get on any dyno and 'show' my 200whp MCS showing 800whp on a dyno and print out the Dyno Sheet..

When your MINI comes out of the factory with 200bhp and now with the mods it's pushing 600WHP (over three times the HP that the drive train was design to do), you don't expect everything to hold up, right? Well, unless your valves, motor, axles, clutch and cams are designed by the MINI "GOD" (where everybody else's parts stink, except his!!!)

 

First off, you have to finish to place, and that doesn't seem like that's happening very often. When it's breaking more often than not, maybe it should be kept it in the garage until it's right.

Why, is this what you do with your dyno sheets on a PC? I love how these insinuations come out about folks fudging dyno numbers. Are you in the same boat as Paul in stating folks like Shawn Church are dishonest with their practices? Care to clarify your post above?

No one expects that when you are pushing the boundaries everything is going to be perfect, but it's a poor excuse for a tuning house to put 600hp in a car and not address the rest of the drivetrain and car so that it's at least finishing.
The Madness MINI may have only done a 1.3X.XX at SOW, but at least it finished.

 

Well, you have to get out of the garage first before you can enter into a race

Well, based on the Mynes MD dyno numbers, we know how fast a car should run. For example, if an AWD car puts down around 350whp/350wtqe on our MD, it should be capable of running low 12's and high 11's down the 1/4 mile track. On a FWD, that should be around low 13's and with good driving, maybe into the high 12's... so with that kind of power on that MINI (365whp on 13psi), what did it run at the track?? With that kind of dyno number, it should at least run 13's... can to prove it at the drag strip? Afterall, it's called a "DRAG" mini for a reason... or is it designed to sit in the garage... Anybody can produce a dynosheet showing mega numbers, but back it up. O, i forgot, you don't want to break it so ur keepping it in the garage where it's safe

ABF (Hubie) put 600whp on the MINIUSA Drag Mini and he was able to back that up by running low 10's. I'm certain with Hubie behind the wheels, that MINI can easily get into the 9's in the near future... So we know our MD dyno's are true to our numbers, now back up your HP claims...

If that's the case, then why even mod your car. Just drive a bone stock MINI and you'll surely FINISH... hey, who cares if it finishes last, at least it completes the race, right?.. If that's your definition of a race, then it's a poor excuse for not going all out and pushing your car to the max.

 

Ok, anyway. What does everyone think about the Mini Madness Stage 4 kit. Their websites claim 260-265 hp reliably(Sweet site MM!! ). Is this the max for bolt ons and some minor machining without changing out all the engine guts? Are there mods I can get with port/polish head/intake, without changing out all the pistons, springs, studs, rockers, etc? Theoretically hovering at around 300whp, what kind of mods, if any, would be needed for the transmission not to explode and last 30,000 more street miles?

 

That MM is crank HP, not at the wheels. Other folks are putting 260+ down to the wheels.

 

Pushing your car to the max and breaking every time out are two different things in my book, apparently not yours. Too bad for your customers.

So it appears these numbers posted by SC are completely BS according to you "knowing how fast a car should run";

2700 lbs w/driver
FWD
NA 2.0 liter I4
275-280 hub hp on my Dynapack (and 180 lbs-ft)

12.3@109 mph at Pomona (800 ft, 88F, 29.9", 30% RH)

12.2@110 mph at Sacramento (100 ft, 68F, 30.0", 45% RH)

Seems maybe your dyno is reading quite a bit high for your assumptions to be true about needing 350 to run high 12's in a FWD car.

The UK Dynapak your buddy Paul is using has been shown to be within 3% of Churches and they ran a 13.1 with 231whp.

Maybe you should go back and check your dyno. Maybe you are the one selling inflated dyno numbers. Chew on that popcorn awhile.

I guess there are different philosophies about building parts for customers. I couldn't see a tuner selling a customer a car that won't finish an event.
Hubie's aside, as a dedicated track car, the black widow and Scheers aren't holding together either, and those should have some sort of reliability. At this point they need a full support truck full of spares just to go to the track and they still don't finish. If my memory serves me right, the 5 fastest MINI's at SOW are all RMW cars, the fastest a full street trim car running a 1:26. How's that not leaving the garage?
If you want to hang you hat on Hubie's 600hp car, great. I don't see how that translates to any other cars that have achieved anything, or are remotely good cars that one could drive on the street.

 

The Mini Madness/Mini Mania trail is a cold one.
False hopes for power in their "Stage Folies".
There are useful parts in each package,but know what your getting before diving in.
RMW parts and tune deliver(complete package).
Plenty of positive testimonials abound(even in the face of grumbling)
...no popcorn necessary.

 

[QUOTE=metaltometal;2675563]Ok, anyway. What does everyone think about the Mini Madness Stage 4 kit. Their websites claim 260-265 hp reliably(Sweet site MM!! ).


""""Is this the max for bolt ons and some minor machining without changing out all the engine guts? Are there mods I can get with port/polish head/intake, without changing out all the pistons, springs, studs, rockers, etc? Theoretically hovering at around 300whp, what kind of mods, if any, would be needed for the transmission not to explode and last 30,000 more street miles?"""""""""

Whether it be sc or turbo. a car that does not see track use and does not need to go to a garage every two weeks.

 

You deliver High HP....components are going to fail....PERIOD. To say the tuner should address other variables is none of his concern. Thats up to the customer. If the customer doesnt know that his 600HP Mini, Subie or EVO is going to break...he shouldnt be modding it. Thats just going full retard. I EXPECT components on my car to break. Which in 6 years of owning my Mini...my trans has gone out once due to sub-system failure and once on my part. If you are going to upgrade components and tear apart the head for port/polishing WHY WOULD YOU NOT upgade to the best parts available? Thats a waste of time and money. If huge money is going to be spent on a tuned car...either for street or track...you need to go big or go home. Thats the nature of the beast. If not....THEN WHY COMPETE? Might as well leave your car bone stock. I dont know why this thread turned into a vendor bashing cage match.... RMW has something to bring to the table....Mynes has something....and whoever. But the remarks about I was the first to do this and the first to do that and I was this and that doesnt mean squat. I will give you a pat on the back and say GOOD JOB! But the Mini has evolved way beyond that now. You might think you were the first but someone always beats you to the punch. Give it a rest....all of you. I am one of the biggest trash talkers on this site (and have been for a long time)....and YOU ALL ARE GIVING ME A HEADACHE....

 

^ if Justin's the one making insightful posts in a thread, you know something's wrong!

but for the record, well said and +1.. I agree

 

and still my questions go unanswered. I'm looking for some cold hard tech talk, not passion. I've been around cars my whole life. My post count means in no way am I a newb to cars. k So remember, I'm talking about a Mini, not a Ferrari. Just a regular guy here. No scca or corporate affiliations. I want a fast Mini. Show me the numbers and experience/opinions about what is needed for the previously asked questions.

 

UKSUV, well said... couldn't agree more. A forum is for all of us to share our experiences and have fun... no need to bash anybody for their accomplishment or others products. Just list the facts and let people decide.

If you think one way is better than another, prove it in life. I have started a new thread to square off the argument between Turbo vs SC... cheers.

***I apologize to the OP for hi-jacking your thread***

 

All in good fun. Bragging rights are bragging rights. Just post a bulletin if you guys are going to be on the Pinks - all out show on tv

 

Here's one option that i sent you via PM. It will definitely give the 135i a run for its $... the mods are listed in the post... cheers.

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...91-octane.html

 

No one was bashing anyone, it was cold hard data.... what would you be afraid of that for?

 

You could show the potential customer the average Hp and TQ as shown on the original printout at the bottom. But it has great peak numbers

Even my 260whp M45 has much better area under the curve.

I really don't care who buys what, but the skewing of, and spreading of, disinformation is staggering.

 

There are people that I have personally known for years that I can say they have never skewed numbers contrary if said otherwise...and that would be....TULS, KALBONE, HUBIE and MYNES PERFORMANCE. There ARE others of course...

 

I've never heard of Mynes Performance. Website doesn't say much either.

 

Listen...my original aspirations of a turbo build (high HP--Mini Drag car HP) was with Hubie circa 2003. He then went to Fireballed! racing so I would have no choice even though I wanted nothing to do with them because of other issues. So then I built my car up with everything BUT the motor waiting for another change....even a 6 speed swap. Then RMW rolled onto the scene and the thought of a 2L stroker kit mated to a BT would be even better. Especially since people who were knowledgeable were teaming up. Mynes was talking about breaking into the scene years ago but there wasnt a big enough base for what they wanted to do. So I kept them on my radar. As far as modding goes...I am pretty much done with the Mini since I have done everything short of the go big or go home mod.. I dont have the chunk of change you do right now to do that. All 3 people I have named here are quite capable of building one bad *** car. Which they have in the past. All will vary by HP but not by much. Its whoever you feel more safe with. Your car will still scream and be unique. I wish you the best of luck with whatever you do...but take all the Vendor bashing with a grain of salt. It happens on every forum. They are all splitting HP hairs. . Here is a pic of what I have done to my car (taken last night)....not that you really care...but I wanna see another pic of it cause I like it....

 

Its ok...Not much info gets up to you guys in UT. You know they have beer thats higher than 3.2?

 

....damn you