I was just trying to clear up any misunderstandings as it seemed that some people were missing the question at hand and focusing on an unrelated topic.

All I said was that I'm not taking a side. I have no idea whether he got custom grinds or not.

 

I'm on-topic: still waiting for that answer too. Question/answer request 2/3.

 

I THINK the answer is that Jan's cams are off the shelf Newman cams BUT he has, in the past, ordered special grinds and plans to offer them soon.

again I personally don't care who makes them but if one is BETTER than the other I would like to know! and if I can get the same cam cheaper from another source I will! I know all the "well you get Jan's tech support" but I dont care about that. if he has a cam that is made by Newman that is exclusive to him I would like to try it out. I have heard good things about his stuff. BUT if its just a "regular" Newman cam then I would like to know this before ordering.

NO BASHING WHOS IS BETTER!! why does it allways come to this when ever anyone asks about a part?

 

Here's where interpretation plays a part... What I got out of the posts was that the off-the-shelf Newman cam profiles being sold now were designed by RMW.

 

And what makes you think you'll be able to get a Newman cam anyway? It sounds like at a minimum that RMW has the US rights to them.

 

This was exactly Onasleds intention.... keep in mind Q-4000. You would have never heard about the newman cam if it wasn't for Jan bringing it to you. He did the research. He brought it to us. Sounds like Jan's the US distributor. I for one hope Newman stands behind their vendor and tells you to pound sand

 

Sorry I'm afraid the above is wrong, credit should be given where its due

 

 

not sure I get what "credit" your referring to Are you suggesting that you brought the cam to us? If so SIGN UP TO BE A VENDOR ....actually, I have no idea what your talking about

 

Again, it's not about who to buy it from or where it came from. It's about whether or not it's a custom grind or not.

Onasled's agenda was to reveal the answer that he is expecting, which he believes is that Jan just brought over a newman cam and called it custom. I'm not saying this is the case, I'm just saying that he was trying to reveal that they weren't custom rather than trying to drive people to buy them from the original manufacturer. His hope is that he can reveal some secret that Jan had no part in customizing a special grind, he just brought over the newman cam and sold it as custom. (Again, not saying this is the case).

 

Lets agree to disagree RSD

I think both of us are "speculating" more than anything what his true intension is. I have my thought, you have yours.

I believe what I do because Onasled had to bring Newman into the conversation instead of just asking the question about the grinds.
....maybe its just an unfortunate byproduct, but I think not

 

Newman made a custom billet camshaft for my mates drag race 6.0 Range Rover V8, so one day I was passing the door and I like visiting places like that and popped in to see if they did camshafts for our beloved Cooper S.

Ken had at the time had 1 sitting on the shelf and 1 that he had sold but never heard anything back from the person who had it. ( and some blanks which I sent to Jan as well)

I promised to give him (ken) fedback and if it worked promote it, which I did mainly on Mini 2 and here through drag strip times videos etc etc

My customers called it the 1320 cam for some unknown reason, I sent a couple 2 Jan in late 2007 where he dyno'd at Churches and I was on the phone when they were discussing how it was going, I can remember Shawn saying something like, "I defintley prefer to give up 3 or 4 up top to have the gains you've seening across the rpm"

I negoaited a deal with Ken at last years Autosport show for myself and Jan, on reflection at the begining I should off negoaited a world exclusive deal.

But to be honest I'm not like that though in theory I should be, unfortunatley I'm more like Hubie (he has more skill), but I rather be like that.

 

I see “this” still continues… It looks like a couple folks have tried to attain a desired focus, seemingly to no avail. I’ve got some time to kill now, so what the heck...

There have been many touchy-feely responses that do not address the original question. Instead of revisiting that question at this time, let’s take a different tact and first look at what was NOT asked, yet provided as noise in responses:

- The OP did not call into question the performance of said product. Nevertheless, some have chimed-in saying how wonderful the part has been for them. That’s fine, and even dandy; but that was never called into question here and with that, it’s not germane.

- Likewise, the price charged for the part and the support offered were not scrutinized by the OP. Yet, some have felt compelled to say that they gladly paid the price they did, and would do so again. Ok. Many of us have also paid more for parts, and I’ve done so knowing there was a better price elsewhere, but chose to do so for a multitude of reasons, including the promise of wonderful support. I understand that big time... but that doesn’t address the topic here either.

- There was never an expressed beef or concern by the OP that parts made elsewhere are a bad thing or not desirable. However people have felt the need to reply that they don’t care from where this part is sourced. That’s not the point here though. The vast majority of products we purchase are made from around the world and we are all generally very receptive to this reality nowadays.

What was asked:

We as a Community were told that this product was a unique in-house, custom piece; and the OP’s question focused only on this aspect and inquired about its truthfulness. With the rah-rah noise above dismissed, we are back to the question, and finally an answer.

Another company designed and developed the part, and had been selling it for some time. The two competing products are indeed one in the same.

And if the only justification for such lying is the expressed need to protect the source of the manufacturer, then that deserves to be addressed also. I think we all can appreciate the desire to not reveal the source of product. Many would agree that such information should not be divulged in many instances, for reasons already shared. Not revealing the identity of the fabricator is one thing, and certainly understood, but doing a 180 and taking full credit for its creation is yet another, and clearly wrong. An appropriate response to such inquiries can simply state that the product is sourced through an established and highly reputable manufacturer with a proven track record, and let it go at that. If folks are determined to find the source, they probably will, regardless of how little info was shared, if any at all.

Being in the market for a cam, I too read these false claims in our public forum and given that many were exposed to this misinformation, it is most appropriate to address it for all to see and digest. And FWIW, to clear-up another tidbit of misinformation just mentioned, for those whose MINI reading extends beyond NAM, like over at MINI2 or at 1320, this other cam, well, the same one, has been discussed there for quite while. So to say that me and others wouldn’t have been aware of this cam without the US competitor or distributor is not accurate.

The question has been answered.

If there’s any more discussion to be had, as I concluded here (http://https://www.northamericanmoto...-post101.html) last time, I hope it can be done respectfully, unlike before. If not, I unfortunately envision more damage control fluff, and Sandra Bullock “world peace” responses...

 

Well said, and well approached Tony.

 

Couldn't of put it better myself and if there was a thanks button I think it would be wore out

Cant believe the Mini weighs 2444lb you must 4lb lighter than Jove

 

understood . same time all newman had to do to avoid all the unwanted notoriety was to anounce you as the u.s. distributer . and cams could only be bought in u.s. through you. then you wouldnt be accused of claiming it as your own .

 

Since everyone is in this thread now, I have an actual cam question. I have the specs for both the "Schrick" and the "Newman/1320/RMW" cams. What is everyones opinion on which is better for low end power and torque? Not even sure this can be answered, so thats cool too. Any info. appreciated.

 

Newman all the way

 

Finally someone gets it
Great post

 

thogh we have never tested the cams back to back we always seem to see more trq and hp out of the cam with so many names, also you can feel the difference in the car.

 

Ah, this is a great question. Thanks. I could careless about all the rest.

I want low end power and torque myself. I don't care if the tooth fairy grinds the cam and tells me Ronald McDonald makes it

eep/ Looks like Paul answered the question already. Thanks

 

Thanks, just trying to get the right cam


tooth fairy/Ronald McDonald good one!

 

I've seen a few BVH with cams now on the dyno and in nearly all the examples the shrek gives a bit more hp right at the top of the rev range, but only a few, however, the 1320/RMW/Newman cam seems to give more torque earlier in the rev range giving more 'punch' lower down.

 

Great post Tony!

 

Thank you Tony!! I do find it odd that Jan wouldn't give a straight answer on this! I understand the protecting the source but....