Drivetrain Exhaust Port Matching
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Nitro strikes again
[quote=Nitrominis;2361405]My post was to serve to help and clarify things. For all I knew you may have more then one header available?
I apologize if you have a street version that I am not aware of.
And I see now that the “my” header you phrase is actually the “2 companies that have helped design the headers that are the leading exhaust manufacturers in the world” that are designing you header not you
And Nitro is at again. With the for all i knews and the Im not aware of.
be it as it my he may be correct about the basic physics of header design we see a School boy style aspect of overlooking the research.
Hopefully the world may learn from this sad oversight of a good friend and loving member of the community.
Moral of the story is Look it up before telling the world that Your right and everyone is wrong.
Ask the pope about telling everyone the world was flat. How long did that last?
And yes Nitro its his header. Those companys are consulting firms. He took the drive to go to them to design the products with them so in effect its his products.
Enjoy.
Silversmoke06
I apologize if you have a street version that I am not aware of.
And I see now that the “my” header you phrase is actually the “2 companies that have helped design the headers that are the leading exhaust manufacturers in the world” that are designing you header not you
And Nitro is at again. With the for all i knews and the Im not aware of.
be it as it my he may be correct about the basic physics of header design we see a School boy style aspect of overlooking the research.
Hopefully the world may learn from this sad oversight of a good friend and loving member of the community.
Moral of the story is Look it up before telling the world that Your right and everyone is wrong.
Ask the pope about telling everyone the world was flat. How long did that last?
And yes Nitro its his header. Those companys are consulting firms. He took the drive to go to them to design the products with them so in effect its his products.
Enjoy.
Silversmoke06
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Now that what we need from you. More input from your vast experience. Please feel free to post more.
My post was to serve to help and clarify things. For all I knew you may have more then one header available?
I apologize if you have a street version that I am not aware of.
And I see now that the “my” header you phrase is actually the “2 companies that have helped design the headers that are the leading exhaust manufacturers in the world” that are designing you header not you
And Nitro is at again. With the for all i knews and the Im not aware of.
be it as it my he may be correct about the basic physics of header design we see a School boy style aspect of overlooking the research.
Hopefully the world may learn from this sad oversight of a good friend and loving member of the community.
Moral of the story is Look it up before telling the world that Your right and everyone is wrong.
Ask the pope about telling everyone the world was flat. How long did that last?
And yes Nitro its his header. Those companys are consulting firms. He took the drive to go to them to design the products with them so in effect its his products.
Enjoy.
Silversmoke06
I apologize if you have a street version that I am not aware of.
And I see now that the “my” header you phrase is actually the “2 companies that have helped design the headers that are the leading exhaust manufacturers in the world” that are designing you header not you
And Nitro is at again. With the for all i knews and the Im not aware of.
be it as it my he may be correct about the basic physics of header design we see a School boy style aspect of overlooking the research.
Hopefully the world may learn from this sad oversight of a good friend and loving member of the community.
Moral of the story is Look it up before telling the world that Your right and everyone is wrong.
Ask the pope about telling everyone the world was flat. How long did that last?
And yes Nitro its his header. Those companys are consulting firms. He took the drive to go to them to design the products with them so in effect its his products.
Enjoy.
Silversmoke06
Now that what we need from you. More input from your vast experience. Please feel free to post more.
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First I love this YOU SPELLED SENTANCE wrong (sentence)
This is a joke because I get corrected all the time on my spelling. Laugh its funny!Second re-read my post. And perhaps you may want to do a little out of NAM research before replying to a technical posting as header design.
Get a little more basic back ground information to be at least close to the same frame of reference as myself and Jan.
Last edited by Nitrominis; Jul 13, 2008 at 04:36 PM. Reason: added Jans name
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Oh spelled it wrong for a reason.
Like you said its funny. I have my fair share of out side of NAM "research"
Like i said "Now that what we need from you...." Seriously read that to your self. Your Jr high grammar teacher would be astonished.
Like you said its funny. I have my fair share of out side of NAM "research"
Like i said "Now that what we need from you...." Seriously read that to your self. Your Jr high grammar teacher would be astonished.
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Like the pope btw?
and way to name drop Jans name.(why?)
Just Fyi You have no idea what my backround was. I was not and wont down play your skills.
I was pointing out that you did not know how the headers had come to be.
I do. Ish.
also i would never tell your wrong with your tech section you posted there.
why because your right. wow no big deal.
It was mostly the way you shot your mouth off before knowing basic facts about his header development and things of that nature.
Hell you shot your self in the foot. I even pointed that out.
"I apologize if you have a street version that I am not aware of."
and.
My post was to serve to help and clarify things. For all I knew you may have more then one header available?
hmm sound familiar.
Its my personal view we should not keep thread jacking and if you want to settle this with me.
Feel free to send me a pm Ill set you straight just fine.
and way to name drop Jans name.(why?)
Just Fyi You have no idea what my backround was. I was not and wont down play your skills.
I was pointing out that you did not know how the headers had come to be.
I do. Ish.
also i would never tell your wrong with your tech section you posted there.
why because your right. wow no big deal.
It was mostly the way you shot your mouth off before knowing basic facts about his header development and things of that nature.
Hell you shot your self in the foot. I even pointed that out.
"I apologize if you have a street version that I am not aware of."
and.
My post was to serve to help and clarify things. For all I knew you may have more then one header available?
hmm sound familiar.
Its my personal view we should not keep thread jacking and if you want to settle this with me.
Feel free to send me a pm Ill set you straight just fine.
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Like the pope btw?
and way to name drop Jans name.(why?)
Just Fyi You have no idea what my backround was. I was not and wont down play your skills.
I was pointing out that you did not know how the headers had come to be.
I do. Ish.
also i would never tell your wrong with your tech section you posted there.
why because your right. wow no big deal.
It was mostly the way you shot your mouth off before knowing basic facts about his header development and things of that nature.
Hell you shot your self in the foot. I even pointed that out.
"I apologize if you have a street version that I am not aware of."
and.
My post was to serve to help and clarify things. For all I knew you may have more then one header available?
hmm sound familiar.
Its my personal view we should not keep thread jacking and if you want to settle this with me.
Feel free to send me a pm Ill set you straight just fine.
and way to name drop Jans name.(why?)
Just Fyi You have no idea what my backround was. I was not and wont down play your skills.
I was pointing out that you did not know how the headers had come to be.
I do. Ish.
also i would never tell your wrong with your tech section you posted there.
why because your right. wow no big deal.
It was mostly the way you shot your mouth off before knowing basic facts about his header development and things of that nature.
Hell you shot your self in the foot. I even pointed that out.
"I apologize if you have a street version that I am not aware of."
and.
My post was to serve to help and clarify things. For all I knew you may have more then one header available?
hmm sound familiar.
Its my personal view we should not keep thread jacking and if you want to settle this with me.
Feel free to send me a pm Ill set you straight just fine.
Well where to start? I used Jan’s name because it is the header he *presently sells that I was in question with.
I suggested to you get off the NAM and learn a bit more about header design.
The grammar BS nuff said. dude itsa forum who cares
LOL LOL you do not really know what is the *header truth is LOL I doubt it will get ever get posted. LOL
The apology, it was a "dig"!
And the question about more then one header available, it goes back to the header truth comment. LOL
The foot race I guess that’s between you and El_Griton
You know it is so hard to stay on topics with posts like this don't you agree?
And PMing you, well it has been rumored that they might be ssshhhh....!
Monitored.
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oh i know its monitored. all to well. i still suggust you go for it.
As for the start of the headers im more than happey to tell you how it works.
I know i suck at grammar. im freaken over it.
How was it a dig. you and i both know that what you posted was as reccognised by another member was straight out a text book.
Yes your right yes you had a valid point.
duhhhhh.
I dont know what el gritons deal is. LOL
As for the start of the headers im more than happey to tell you how it works.
I know i suck at grammar. im freaken over it.
How was it a dig. you and i both know that what you posted was as reccognised by another member was straight out a text book.
Yes your right yes you had a valid point.
duhhhhh.
I dont know what el gritons deal is. LOL
My post was to serve to help and clarify things. For all I knew you may have more then one header available? I did at one time own an Engine Dyno (not chassis) which was in the machine shop to use for building performance engines. And for many years built my own headers. Can’t say they all work well. LOL Brilliants is not the criteria as you said but a minimum basic knowledge of thermal Dynamics and engine operation helps. But that is all past history in the 80’s
And as for the OBX design I believe I improved them a bit for street use from aprox. 35-6k? And at the time I paid 75 new for them. They were about the only game back in 2003. Since there really is not that many more choices available unless you are intending to race the Mini as your designed big tube header does? This is based on the Dyno reports you post that is always in the 7k plus. Which is not necessarily realistic on the street driven Mini? I apologize if you have a street version that I am not aware of.
As for the non-related question or comment of my avoidance to Dyno’s (POSTING) it would serve no purpose to subject myself to questions about the results. LOL however if and when I do I will choose a shop that you use so that there is no question about the results.
I choose to paste the quote, as it is the common information of performance header designer is the world so it would not be my very limited knowledge of header design. And I see now that the “my” header you phrase is actually the “2 companies that have helped design the headers that are the leading exhaust manufacturers in the world” that are designing you header not you. LOL In that case they already know the information that I used for my questions. LOL
And as for the OBX design I believe I improved them a bit for street use from aprox. 35-6k? And at the time I paid 75 new for them. They were about the only game back in 2003. Since there really is not that many more choices available unless you are intending to race the Mini as your designed big tube header does? This is based on the Dyno reports you post that is always in the 7k plus. Which is not necessarily realistic on the street driven Mini? I apologize if you have a street version that I am not aware of.
As for the non-related question or comment of my avoidance to Dyno’s (POSTING) it would serve no purpose to subject myself to questions about the results. LOL however if and when I do I will choose a shop that you use so that there is no question about the results.
I choose to paste the quote, as it is the common information of performance header designer is the world so it would not be my very limited knowledge of header design. And I see now that the “my” header you phrase is actually the “2 companies that have helped design the headers that are the leading exhaust manufacturers in the world” that are designing you header not you. LOL In that case they already know the information that I used for my questions. LOL
it's very very simple... stop talking about theory and just make something that works better
the fact you settled on a cheap copy of a Super Sprint ripoff tells me much.....
your point is very apparent to me ........
if you want to question what I have done.. build something better... so far no one has, and I doubt they do either. The reason I know this is the time I have spent building it. I'm not about to tell anyone how I made the headers and why on a forum. Break out your check book and build your own
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it's mind boggling trying to follow your train of thought....
it's very very simple... stop talking about theory and just make something that works better
the fact you settled on a cheap copy of a Super Sprint ripoff tells me much.....
your point is very apparent to me ........
if you want to question what I have done.. build something better... so far no one has, and I doubt they do either. The reason I know this is the time I have spent building it. I'm not about to tell anyone how I made the headers and why on a forum. Break out your check book and build your own
it's very very simple... stop talking about theory and just make something that works better
the fact you settled on a cheap copy of a Super Sprint ripoff tells me much.....
your point is very apparent to me ........
if you want to question what I have done.. build something better... so far no one has, and I doubt they do either. The reason I know this is the time I have spent building it. I'm not about to tell anyone how I made the headers and why on a forum. Break out your check book and build your own
glad you got my point
already invested in other stuff that really works. Just don't want to share anymore.
And you well know 8-12 % up on anything.
I would just like to see you and a few other vendors offer a street and a race header. And stop claiming an all world header that you know there is no such thing.
Oh Oh wait an electric or hydraulically controlled header that can change both tube ,collector and reversion shape , size and length through the ECU that you can tune. Now that would work .
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am i missing something here, jan offers 2 headers?
is any one else selling 3 from the same manufacture?
thought not...
bmw decided it was only worth two,
and thats with the volume they sell,
i did not need my own design or manufacturing facility to figure that out...
or am just not as well informed as you guys
is any one else selling 3 from the same manufacture?
thought not...
bmw decided it was only worth two,
and thats with the volume they sell,
i did not need my own design or manufacturing facility to figure that out...
or am just not as well informed as you guys
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There is no performance reason why you are not able to run a D-Port head with round tube headers. The problem on many applications is that you do not get proper sealing usually at the top of the head because most D-port heads or ported design is taller at the top of the port. The old style OBX well covers the complete port area of the MINIs head so there is no issue-sealing problem. The Super Sprint and the OBX I believe was based on manufacturing a header that would generally fit well and have some performance improvements over the OEM manifold. All I did was grind all the welds down inside the primary tubes at the flange and thermal wrapped it. Wrapping keeps the exhaust velocity high to help reduce reversion. I would guess the OBX is good for a 3-6-k good power band. Probably not good beyond 65k? So for a street header the old design is not a bad header? This may be why other headers appear to by better because of their higher operating range. But then you lose a little at the bottom. You can not have both?
And honestly I can not find anywhere that RMW has 2 or more header for sale? Maybe RMW should clarify this?
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There is no performance reason why you are not able to run a D-Port head with round tube headers. The problem on many applications is that you do not get proper sealing usually at the top of the head because most D-port heads or ported design is taller at the top of the port. The old style OBX well covers the complete port area of the MINIs head so there is no issue-sealing problem. The Super Sprint and the OBX I believe was based on manufacturing a header that would generally fit well and have some performance improvements over the OEM manifold. All I did was grind all the welds down inside the primary tubes at the flange and thermal wrapped it. Wrapping keeps the exhaust velocity high to help reduce reversion. I would guess the OBX is good for a 3-6-k good power band. Probably not good beyond 65k? So for a street header the old design is not a bad header? This may be why other headers appear to by better because of their higher operating range. But then you lose a little at the bottom. You can not have both?
And honestly I can not find anywhere that RMW has 2 or more header for sale? Maybe RMW should clarify this?
And honestly I can not find anywhere that RMW has 2 or more header for sale? Maybe RMW should clarify this?
Rmw has a long header to match with the there race exhaust, and a shorty to mate up to standard exhausts.
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http://www.revolutionmini.com/exhausts.html
. Also seldom is there an official vendor announcement. The "cult" does the announcing for him .He has two designs, the shorty came out perhaps just last month. Both are 4-1 designs.
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Not sure I believe the first but the second is very true
Standard response from Nitro
More unsubstantiated info on headers and opinions
please STFU about RMW products as you know nothing of what I have designed on these headers
I currently have 9 versions available to sell and all fit different applications
More unsubstantiated info on headers and opinions
please STFU about RMW products as you know nothing of what I have designed on these headers
I currently have 9 versions available to sell and all fit different applications
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The search button would easily help you find the different headers here. Many of them have their own threads I believe. I love that you jump on RMW about claiming that 1 header will do everything when they don't claim that and have different headers for different applications. Sounds like pointless stirring of the pot considering that half of your info is dead wrong!
How can you say that his header has redesigned physics by working well on both a large ported head and a stock head and then post a bunch of crap about tube width and length. A header can have a larger than stock ports and not have the tubes be extremely wide! Just because he is using larger ports does not mean he is using 4" tubing on his header! One header may not work best on all applications, but it could certainly be an improvement in more than one application. How can you assume that any tuner is claiming that a particular header will be the best in ALL applications and that they do not know the basics of how a header works without actually looking into what products they have and the research and testing that was involved yourself? There is tons of info about the products here on NAM!
How can you say that his header has redesigned physics by working well on both a large ported head and a stock head and then post a bunch of crap about tube width and length. A header can have a larger than stock ports and not have the tubes be extremely wide! Just because he is using larger ports does not mean he is using 4" tubing on his header! One header may not work best on all applications, but it could certainly be an improvement in more than one application. How can you assume that any tuner is claiming that a particular header will be the best in ALL applications and that they do not know the basics of how a header works without actually looking into what products they have and the research and testing that was involved yourself? There is tons of info about the products here on NAM!