Helix you are far away from Puerto Rico but I will installed in my local Giac dealer and I will let you know how does it feels.

Like Thumpermcs told Im getting bored with my car!

 

It's never too late to spend money
Yes, the ECU has to be sent in to be flashed



Right now a standard tune is available. We are hoping to have a custom GIAC file to go along with our intercooler

 

I had GIAC on my S4, loved it!

Will there be a flashloader for this sometime?

 

Hopfully a flash loader is doable soon. I think sending in the ECU is going to be a problem for some.

 

I will be all over this when the flashloader comes out

 

+1 Agreed!

I bet at least 90% of the people interested would want a flashloader. I hope they can figure one out.

Other tuners in England have done it I'm pretty sure, so I don't see why GIAC shouldn't be able to get one.

 

Yea I really want to be able to switch between pump and race gas.

 

"Right now a standard tune is available. We are hoping to have a custom GIAC file to go along with our intercooler[/QUOTE]"

I noticed on your site your dyno graph also shows a car with the Intercooler and FMIC and the GIAC....As soon as you get the tune out, i'm in!!!http://www.helix13.com/images/giacmi...haust_hptq.jpg

 

No flashloader over here yet. All the tuners who are flashing the ECU are having to remove it from the car, much the same as the GIAC.

 

Shoot....whata pain!

 

Yea we know. they'll figure it out eventually though

 

Well if they can do the JCW upgrade with a CD (through the car stereo I believe) I'm sure that some one can figure out how to do it using a flashloader.

 

I believe the CD is inserted into the dealers equipment, be it a PC or something more specialist. Then a normal software update is performed on the car. The presence of the CD simply 'unlocks' the JCW part of the update and allows it to be installed on the car.

Dealers do seem to have trouble performing updates. They can take hours and sometimes don't work and need to be restarted. After my JCW upgrade my air con didn't work and required another reprogram to sort it. Not sure if these concerns are relevant to the third party tunes but it's something I would worry about...

 

Haven't had or heard of those systems with the GIAC

 

yes, it is a computer cd that goes into a computer outside the car.

The data on the cd is ecrypted with the specific VIN of the car it is being installed on so that it can only be installed on that car.

Your dealer can keep the JCW hardparts in stock but they'd have to order the CD before they could complete the install.

 

Am I the only one disappointed with the GIAC graph? You have to pump the car up to 4000+ RPM before any appreciable gains are felt. This doesn't seem to help much with low end power.

Also disappointing are the figures with an exhaust and FMIC added. To add nearly $2,000 in parts to a car and only get an extra handful of horsepower would really **** me off.

Is there no good tuning available for us!?!

 

I think we'll have to be patient...

 

No, I have to agree. I understand and respect the work they are doing to accomplish what they have accomplished but from a stand point of a consumer... why would I want to dump a couple of grand for 13 whp? No disrespect to Ralph's shop but buying and installing an exhaust (which I really don't want to do) and the software flashing for 13whp .... no way.

I'm not dissin' 188 whp, that's great but for the amount of money and parts needed to accomplish it, I was expecing in the 190-195 range. Perhaps I'm just asking too much.

Guess I'll have to wait and see if anything changes...

Mark

 

Keep in mind that that set-up may be closer to 200whp on your car if you dyno it somewhere else. Everything is relative. I know when I dynoed my car stock it was 177whp/193wtq, and after a catless turboback exhaust it was 189whp/205wtq. So if you saw those numbers, you'd probably be jumping up and down. But I can bet you that their car can outrun mine.

 

I agree that it's relative to the dyno used...

However, 6whp is 6whp. Their machine may read lower but if someone else's reads higher, they will still only get 6whp.

I was more complaining about the "difference" or "increase in HP" than what the end numbers were.

For a couple of grand (tune and full exhaust....there abouts) I was expecting closer to 20-25whp difference, not 13.

I made another post asking about the JCW kit. Apparently a FACTORY JCW kit only increases it 18whp so I imagine a dealer installed (since it won't be using bigger pistons) will be even less.... more along the lines of the GIAC setup.

 

i dont understand this either. GIAC on an audi a4 added something like 30hp/30tq. granted, that was on a 1.8t engine, but i cant imagine that a 1.6t would be that much of a difference...

i read somewhere that the 1.8ts are indestructible powerplants. perhaps the r56 mcs 1.6t engine isnt as strong so the tuners arent willing to push it any harder... i dont know

 

I don't know, I was always under the understanding the stock block was good for 220-230 HP. Even if I'm wrong and it's at 200, I would think surely a good tune would net more than 6whp.

How is it Alta's PNP ecu is good for 20-25whp? At least according to their website.



Am I missing something? I think this is just a piggyback ecu, why do we only see 6whp on a tuned ecu?

Perhaps someone with more knowledge can explain the difference.

Thanks,

Mark

 

Finally someone besides me wondering.... what is going on.

 

Where did you get 6whp from? Looks like 13whp to me. Hopefully either helix or giac will post to address your questions though.

Although I agree that the tuning currently available for our cars is overpriced for what it is.

 

I got it from their dyno graph.



The line in red is the GIAC programming ONLY. The 188HP was with FMIC and exhaust. I stand corrected. It was a 14HP gain.

My apologies, apparently I can't add...lol.

I should have zoomed in on the graph first before I opened my mouth.

Still.... even at 14HP, that's a far cry from 25-30 that Alta's piggyback setup uses.

Mark