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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 05:34 PM
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Alta Classic or 2.0 ???

Alta is offering their Classic 15% pulley for $100 shipped, for a limited time, as opposed to their Version 2.0 for $140 plus shipping. So what do you guys think? Is the 2.0 worth the difference in price? 50%more? Obviously I don't want to do this job twice. Are there any issues with the original pulley?
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 06:14 PM
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Not a major difference between them. Lots and lots of ver 1 out there with no problems (like mine).
 
Old Jan 25, 2008 | 07:42 PM
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alot of people go with the classic...i have the 2.0 and so far no issues
 
Old Jan 25, 2008 | 07:52 PM
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I'm sure both are fine, but they must have redesigned it for a reason, and for $40 more, why not have the most current and advanced one. Especially because it is not something you want failing on you.
 
Old Jan 26, 2008 | 01:38 AM
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I'm sure both are fine, but they must have redesigned it for a reason, and for $40 more, why not have the most current and advanced one. Especially because it is not something you want failing on you.
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Old Jan 26, 2008 | 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by td66snrf
Alta is offering their Classic 15% pulley for $100 shipped, for a limited time, as opposed to their Version 2.0 for $140 plus shipping. So what do you guys think? Is the 2.0 worth the difference in price? 50%more? Obviously I don't want to do this job twice. Are there any issues with the original pulley?
Thanks for your input in advance,
TimD
With 15% classic alta my belt has slipping. Then I change it for something else and there is no more problems.

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Old Jan 26, 2008 | 04:20 AM
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i've had the alta classic 15% for 4 years now, no problems. it was the very first mod i did. i'm sure you will have no problems with either one as long as it is installed properly.
 
Old Jan 26, 2008 | 07:41 AM
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I have a version 1 classic pulley. In the 23,000 miles it's been on I've had no problems.

As far as the version 2 being better, well maybe, but me thinks it may have been designed with increased sales in mind. New version, must be better eh? I'm sure it's as good, but is it better & worth more money? Not to me.

Just my .02 & worth every penny.
 
Old Jan 26, 2008 | 11:12 AM
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Alta admits that they changed the pulley for marketing reasons, simply to be different from the crowd that had copied their design.
 
Old Jan 29, 2008 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by AstroBlackS
I'm sure both are fine, but they must have redesigned it for a reason, and for $40 more, why not have the most current and advanced one. Especially because it is not something you want failing on you.
Good point! We changed it up because many of you know, we were the FIRST to offer the interference fit pulley. I got tired of everyone now "borrowing" the idea, so we made some changes, improved a few things and released a new one. There is nothing WRONG with the Classic or the V 2.0. Like I have said before, Potato, PO-TAH-TOE.

Either choice with ALTA is a good one!

Let me know if I can answer any questions!
 
Old Jan 29, 2008 | 08:41 AM
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There are no issues with either choice. But yes a change for the better is always a good marketing tool as well. Kind of like a 2002 MINI is just fine, but the 06 Model is Fine too. Just has a few minor changes to improve it.
 
Old Jan 29, 2008 | 09:33 AM
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Pulley 2.0 No slip and More cool
 
Old Jan 29, 2008 | 10:01 AM
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It all depends on how you view your money. For me, why spend $40 extra for the same performance? But hey, thats coming from a guy who spent $50 on a used 15% Alta pulley, 30,000 + trouble free miles ago.

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Old Jan 29, 2008 | 10:22 AM
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$50? Nice... got a better deal than I did, I spent $67 shipped for a pulley a guy in Slovenia makes. :D

No complaints, it was cheap and works like a pulley should.
 
Old Jan 29, 2008 | 05:25 PM
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I've held both in my hands.
v1: all stainless construction (important if you are doing hard driving for heat expansion), 4 bolt pattern.
v2: aluminum pulley (lighter), stainless inner (different expansions under insane driving), 3 bolt pattern, plastic cap.

I'm sure they both perform identical under normal to medium driving conditions.
For my money I'd use the v1, but then again, I'm actually running the M7 16% so what do i know?
 
Old Jan 29, 2008 | 05:30 PM
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I got an Alta version 1 19% and the belt for $80 brand new from a guy on ebay. Come to find out the belt was the wrong size (539, was supposed to be a 535).

Mine has been great for 2 weeks now.
 
Old Jan 29, 2008 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by joshamman
I've held both in my hands.
v1: all stainless construction (important if you are doing hard driving for heat expansion), 4 bolt pattern.
v2: aluminum pulley (lighter), stainless inner (different expansions under insane driving), 3 bolt pattern, plastic cap.

I'm sure they both perform identical under normal to medium driving conditions.
For my money I'd use the v1, but then again, I'm actually running the M7 16% so what do i know?

Thanks for the post. Just to clarify on your pros and cons list.

The Classic (you list as V1) is all stainless, interference style and does use four bolts to secure the two halves together. (That is important over 3 in that case.)

V 2.0 uses a fully balanced center section that is stainless steel. It works even on damaged shafts, from previous pulleys or a botched removal. It actually holds to the shaft 5X harder than the interference style as it actually clamps to the shaft, vs. interference fit. The three bolts are NOT there to procure the interference and instead only needed to secure the outer to the inner sections. So two bolts would be plenty. Three is for extra good measure.

there is no risk to the expansion rates of the Stainless Steel inner Vs. the Aluminum outer piece as again, not an interference fit. (It is simlar to an aluminum wheel bolted to a steel hub on the car. Doesn't matter in that case either.) But has the benefit of being lighter weight.

The outer cap is actually anodized aluminum to mate to the aluminum outer section and is optional.

Thanks again for the post, just wanted to clear that up!
 
Old Jan 29, 2008 | 09:53 PM
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Boy was I wrong......I had no idea there was that much of a difference.
 
Old Jan 30, 2008 | 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ADAMSALTAMINI
Thanks for the post. Just to clarify on your pros and cons list.

The Classic (you list as V1) is all stainless, interference style and does use four bolts to secure the two halves together. (That is important over 3 in that case.)

V 2.0 uses a fully balanced center section that is stainless steel. It works even on damaged shafts, from previous pulleys or a botched removal. It actually holds to the shaft 5X harder than the interference style as it actually clamps to the shaft, vs. interference fit. The three bolts are NOT there to procure the interference and instead only needed to secure the outer to the inner sections. So two bolts would be plenty. Three is for extra good measure.

there is no risk to the expansion rates of the Stainless Steel inner Vs. the Aluminum outer piece as again, not an interference fit. (It is simlar to an aluminum wheel bolted to a steel hub on the car. Doesn't matter in that case either.) But has the benefit of being lighter weight.

The outer cap is actually anodized aluminum to mate to the aluminum outer section and is optional.

Thanks again for the post, just wanted to clear that up!
What about problems with fiting V.2?

You always talk just + and never about - of your product.
It's not all gold what is shining.
 
Old Jan 30, 2008 | 05:27 AM
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Here in Spain we are very dissapointed with the ALTA 2.0 Intercooler (I have it on my JCW). The problem with it is that it is too big, and we all had to remove some parts of it to make it a bit lower so that it could fit . Because of installing the 2.0 in our MINI now we all have a stupid spot in our hood. I think Alta should fix that. Most of the people that I know sold it because of this problem. In the future I will sell it too, and buy a different one.
 
Old Jan 30, 2008 | 07:06 AM
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What about problems with fiting V.2?

You always talk just + and never about - of your product.
It's not all gold what is shining.
What would those problems be?
 
Old Jan 30, 2008 | 07:29 AM
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What would those problems be?
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...d.php?t=123988
 
Old Jan 30, 2008 | 08:13 AM
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Fisher, let's not start now.. .
 
Old Jan 30, 2008 | 08:55 AM
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Fisher, let's not start now.. .
I will not start. All I want to say is it's not everything so great as we can read here.
 
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Fisher: You need not make assumptions from the other thread. I have spoken at LENGTH with both the installer and the client. As I just mentioned in the other thread that the client was in a tough spot with the installer. Without tearing the installer a new hole I can say that neither pulley was a "problem" and it was related to the installation.

Also, not to throw stones, but looking at your signature it is OBVIOUS you have an affinity for another firm that makes pulleys. ( No problem with that, but it doesn't take a genius to see where they took "inspiration" for their pulley design and a PERFECT example why we took things in a different direction.) I am all over free choice, but bias can't be denied here.

The V 2.0 pulley has been a savior for MANY clients that have had issues with lesser quality interference style pulleys that HAVE caused significant damage to the S/C shaft. With the new way of clamping to the shaft on the V 2.0 it allows proper force even with a galled shaft. Also, if a shaft has been pushed in from improper pulling of the OEM pulley the V 2.0 can be adjusted to allow proper alignment, vs. the classic that can only be aligned on the outside of the shaft.

No matter what and how good anything is, there will always be a minor issue that arises for a variety of reasons. We at ALTA will always work with clients (like the other example I must have spent 2 hours on my cell phone from home talking with the client and installer.) to reach a proper resolution.

Hope that helps! Let me know if I can help further!
 



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