Drivetrain Alta Classic or 2.0 ???
Here in Spain we are very dissapointed with the ALTA 2.0 Intercooler (I have it on my JCW). The problem with it is that it is too big, and we all had to remove some parts of it to make it a bit lower so that it could fit . Because of installing the 2.0 in our MINI now we all have a stupid spot in our hood. I think Alta should fix that. Most of the people that I know sold it because of this problem. In the future I will sell it too, and buy a different one.
The critical things are:
Car can NOT be an Automatic. The engine sits too high in the bay and there is not enough clearance.
Plastic hood trim diverter MUST be removed. I have had several clients that forget. Close the hood and make a dent.
The aluminum stand off on the manifold MUST be ground down far enough to allow the IC to not only drop down, but be adjusted front to back. Failure to do so will cause damage to the hood.
The radiator hose clamp bolted to the manifold, MUST be removed to allow the core to go down as well. ( Have seen people skip this step too.)
Aftermarket motor mounts must be adjusted to insure the engine is in the same location as stock. This also goes for Pulley installs. If the mounts are tightened in a particular way, you can actually pitch the front of the engine upward toward the hood. This can be adjusted.
Ricky, in the future with ANY ALTA item (or even out competitors) PLEASE let me know if you have an issue. I am an enthusiast first and retailer second. I want every one to get the most benefit out of their hard earned money when they buy parts. I too hate buying something that doesn't work the way I thought it would. I am a consumer too!
Chat soon! PM me if I can help!
BACK TO OUR THREAD!
Adam - one thing I haven't seen here or on the "other thread", but I thought I'd read at some point was that the v2 makes it easier for owners to switch between pulley sizes -- i.e. the inner section remains and one only has to change the outer section to go from 15 to 17 or 19.
Is that true, or am I remembering that wrong?
Is that true, or am I remembering that wrong?
Fisher: You need not make assumptions from the other thread. I have spoken at LENGTH with both the installer and the client. As I just mentioned in the other thread that the client was in a tough spot with the installer. Without tearing the installer a new hole I can say that neither pulley was a "problem" and it was related to the installation.
Also, not to throw stones, but looking at your signature it is OBVIOUS you have an affinity for another firm that makes pulleys. ( No problem with that, but it doesn't take a genius to see where they took "inspiration" for their pulley design and a PERFECT example why we took things in a different direction.) I am all over free choice, but bias can't be denied here.
The V 2.0 pulley has been a savior for MANY clients that have had issues with lesser quality interference style pulleys that HAVE caused significant damage to the S/C shaft. With the new way of clamping to the shaft on the V 2.0 it allows proper force even with a galled shaft. Also, if a shaft has been pushed in from improper pulling of the OEM pulley the V 2.0 can be adjusted to allow proper alignment, vs. the classic that can only be aligned on the outside of the shaft.
No matter what and how good anything is, there will always be a minor issue that arises for a variety of reasons. We at ALTA will always work with clients (like the other example I must have spent 2 hours on my cell phone from home talking with the client and installer.) to reach a proper resolution.
Hope that helps! Let me know if I can help further!
Also, not to throw stones, but looking at your signature it is OBVIOUS you have an affinity for another firm that makes pulleys. ( No problem with that, but it doesn't take a genius to see where they took "inspiration" for their pulley design and a PERFECT example why we took things in a different direction.) I am all over free choice, but bias can't be denied here.
The V 2.0 pulley has been a savior for MANY clients that have had issues with lesser quality interference style pulleys that HAVE caused significant damage to the S/C shaft. With the new way of clamping to the shaft on the V 2.0 it allows proper force even with a galled shaft. Also, if a shaft has been pushed in from improper pulling of the OEM pulley the V 2.0 can be adjusted to allow proper alignment, vs. the classic that can only be aligned on the outside of the shaft.
No matter what and how good anything is, there will always be a minor issue that arises for a variety of reasons. We at ALTA will always work with clients (like the other example I must have spent 2 hours on my cell phone from home talking with the client and installer.) to reach a proper resolution.
Hope that helps! Let me know if I can help further!
Alta has a sharp end grooves. Different then the original one and there might be a problem. The sharps grooves cut the belt too. This is not good. Now I don't have a single problem at all.
But everyone will tell his story so people will choose by themselves.
Bye
Fisher - as a consumer I do appreciate competition, which drives down prices
But most would not consider it good decorum for someone who is obviously a competing vendor:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...=kmt+group+buy
to rant against another's product under the guise of an unhappy customer.
But most would not consider it good decorum for someone who is obviously a competing vendor:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...=kmt+group+buy
to rant against another's product under the guise of an unhappy customer.
Fisher - as a consumer I do appreciate competition, which drives down prices
But most would not consider it good decorum for someone who is obviously a competing vendor:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...=kmt+group+buy
to rant against another's product under the guise of an unhappy customer.
But most would not consider it good decorum for someone who is obviously a competing vendor:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...=kmt+group+buy
to rant against another's product under the guise of an unhappy customer.
Outside is many many other pullies but I didn't say a single word about them.
I have drive an alta more then a year and because I have a trouble with it I have change it.
Don't worry I have pay for it more then 200 USD with shipping and taxes. But If doesn't work OK I can't help.
I believe the others don't have a problems, but I have it so I must do something about it. And I am, try the other product and then offer to other people too.
Fisher - as a consumer I do appreciate competition, which drives down prices
But most would not consider it good decorum for someone who is obviously a competing vendor:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...=kmt+group+buy
to rant against another's product under the guise of an unhappy customer.
But most would not consider it good decorum for someone who is obviously a competing vendor:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...=kmt+group+buy
to rant against another's product under the guise of an unhappy customer.
To get this thread back on topic...
I would go with the V1 pulley for two reasons...
1. It's shiny (you can see it a bit easier with the bonnet open)
2. It's cheaper (the savings buys you some beer for the install)
For two things that have such similar (if at all different) performance gains, I would just save my money and go with the cheaper one. No matter what pulley you choose, I am sure that you will be happy with your choice.
Don't forget to pick up a belt too. I bought a gatorback and thought that the "noise" sounded cool!
I would go with the V1 pulley for two reasons...
1. It's shiny (you can see it a bit easier with the bonnet open)
2. It's cheaper (the savings buys you some beer for the install)
For two things that have such similar (if at all different) performance gains, I would just save my money and go with the cheaper one. No matter what pulley you choose, I am sure that you will be happy with your choice.
Don't forget to pick up a belt too. I bought a gatorback and thought that the "noise" sounded cool!
To get this thread back on topic...
I would go with the V1 pulley for two reasons...
1. It's shiny (you can see it a bit easier with the bonnet open)
2. It's cheaper (the savings buys you some beer for the install)
For two things that have such similar (if at all different) performance gains, I would just save my money and go with the cheaper one. No matter what pulley you choose, I am sure that you will be happy with your choice.
Don't forget to pick up a belt too. I bought a gatorback and thought that the "noise" sounded cool!
I would go with the V1 pulley for two reasons...
1. It's shiny (you can see it a bit easier with the bonnet open)
2. It's cheaper (the savings buys you some beer for the install)
For two things that have such similar (if at all different) performance gains, I would just save my money and go with the cheaper one. No matter what pulley you choose, I am sure that you will be happy with your choice.
Don't forget to pick up a belt too. I bought a gatorback and thought that the "noise" sounded cool!
Adam - one thing I haven't seen here or on the "other thread", but I thought I'd read at some point was that the v2 makes it easier for owners to switch between pulley sizes -- i.e. the inner section remains and one only has to change the outer section to go from 15 to 17 or 19.
Is that true, or am I remembering that wrong?
Is that true, or am I remembering that wrong?
Thanks for pointing out my boo boo!
Fisher - as a consumer I do appreciate competition, which drives down prices
But most would not consider it good decorum for someone who is obviously a competing vendor:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...=kmt+group+buy
to rant against another's product under the guise of an unhappy customer.
But most would not consider it good decorum for someone who is obviously a competing vendor:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...=kmt+group+buy
to rant against another's product under the guise of an unhappy customer.
Look Fisher this makes WAY more sense to your posts. You REALLY ought to be completely ashamed of yourself. Ragging on my pulley when you make your own. The grooves are so NOT an issue. We have never had belt failures etc. You are a real piece of work Fisher! To come on here, then blatantly "borrow" our pulley design then turn around in the guise of a regular member and pull this crap!?!?!?!?! You are in your own league there!
Plus with the goofy Zinc coating over REGULAR steel is asking for HUGE issues with belts!!! Plus explains the super cheap price!
You even use FISHER on your Ebay listings. I am a moron for not putting this together sooner! WOW!
I am so beyond words right now! NAM never ceases to amaze me!
To get this thread back on topic...
I would go with the V1 pulley for two reasons...
1. It's shiny (you can see it a bit easier with the bonnet open)
2. It's cheaper (the savings buys you some beer for the install)
For two things that have such similar (if at all different) performance gains, I would just save my money and go with the cheaper one. No matter what pulley you choose, I am sure that you will be happy with your choice.
Don't forget to pick up a belt too. I bought a gatorback and thought that the "noise" sounded cool!
I would go with the V1 pulley for two reasons...
1. It's shiny (you can see it a bit easier with the bonnet open)
2. It's cheaper (the savings buys you some beer for the install)
For two things that have such similar (if at all different) performance gains, I would just save my money and go with the cheaper one. No matter what pulley you choose, I am sure that you will be happy with your choice.
Don't forget to pick up a belt too. I bought a gatorback and thought that the "noise" sounded cool!
Holy poop ***** Batman! I didn't even realize that. I just thought he had loyalty.
Look Fisher this makes WAY more sense to your posts. You REALLY ought to be completely ashamed of yourself. Ragging on my pulley when you make your own. The grooves are so NOT an issue. We have never had belt failures etc. You are a real piece of work Fisher! To come on here, then blatantly "borrow" our pulley design then turn around in the guise of a regular member and pull this crap!?!?!?!?! You are in your own league there!
Plus with the goofy Zinc coating over REGULAR steel is asking for HUGE issues with belts!!! Plus explains the super cheap price!
You even use FISHER on your Ebay listings. I am a moron for not putting this together sooner! WOW!
I am so beyond words right now! NAM never ceases to amaze me!
Look Fisher this makes WAY more sense to your posts. You REALLY ought to be completely ashamed of yourself. Ragging on my pulley when you make your own. The grooves are so NOT an issue. We have never had belt failures etc. You are a real piece of work Fisher! To come on here, then blatantly "borrow" our pulley design then turn around in the guise of a regular member and pull this crap!?!?!?!?! You are in your own league there!
Plus with the goofy Zinc coating over REGULAR steel is asking for HUGE issues with belts!!! Plus explains the super cheap price!
You even use FISHER on your Ebay listings. I am a moron for not putting this together sooner! WOW!
I am so beyond words right now! NAM never ceases to amaze me!
I believe you will do that if you have me for a liar.
And if you aren't see I didn't mention which pulley I have using right now soo.....think about that dude.
And If you don't see again, I have comment only yours pulley. I didn't comment any other brand, because I do not have experience with them.
But OK you have right.
Have fun.
But explain me please why I have pay 200 USD+ for your pulley and then go againt with almost 100 USD for another. Probably for fun.....://////////
Last edited by Fisher; Jan 30, 2008 at 11:59 AM.
Fisher: I am not going to throw rocks ALL day at you. But really and seriously, how silly do you take the community to be?
The ONLY reason you bag on the ALTA is because you made your OWN semi-duplicate of it. I am GLAD to at least paid for one before you "borrowed" the design, made it from a cheap material, covered it in a cheap material, then hock it on Ebay for peanuts.
I am being WAY serious here. These folks are NOT as ignorant as you might have them believe.
If you want to continue throwing rocks, that is fine, but I am putting out a bucket to collect them while I am gone. (Gotta take the little tike in for a check up!)
Thanks again NAM for the help Especially eager2own. I don't think I would have put that together with out you!
Chat soon friends!
22.July 2005 at 14:35

If you think I am a liar. As I said you can came to me and I will show you the problem.
It has gone out at the end of 2006.
You still think I am a liar? I can send you full set of that photos to email if you still don't believe.
And I didn't copy anything.
I just use the pulley which come from factory which produce over 250.000 pulleys every year without a single problem.
If you wanna say it's crap, the numbers talk for themselves.

If you think I am a liar. As I said you can came to me and I will show you the problem.
It has gone out at the end of 2006.
You still think I am a liar? I can send you full set of that photos to email if you still don't believe.
And I didn't copy anything.
I just use the pulley which come from factory which produce over 250.000 pulleys every year without a single problem.
If you wanna say it's crap, the numbers talk for themselves.
I bought Fisher's pulley, and so did two of my friends. $67 shipped for each of us, couldn't be beat. His pulley is much less expensive, because he is in Slovenia, where they do not have the mini "tuner" market to support the higher prices like we see over here. Plus, after thinking about it and consulting with my friends who are somewhat knowledgeable in fabrication, decided the material wasn't a huge concern.
My thoughts are this- all the pullies are the freaking same, no matter what color, bolt pattern, any other sort of gimicks on them, material, shininess, whatever. They all perform the same. Some people will have problems with some, others won't. People put WAY too much thought into this. Buy one you can afford, and that looks nice to you, and let's leave it at that.
Edit- Fisher also has told me he will warranty his pulley for life. So if the galvanizing somehow becomes a problem, back it goes.
My thoughts are this- all the pullies are the freaking same, no matter what color, bolt pattern, any other sort of gimicks on them, material, shininess, whatever. They all perform the same. Some people will have problems with some, others won't. People put WAY too much thought into this. Buy one you can afford, and that looks nice to you, and let's leave it at that.
Edit- Fisher also has told me he will warranty his pulley for life. So if the galvanizing somehow becomes a problem, back it goes.
Last edited by Aeromax; Jan 30, 2008 at 12:21 PM.
I also bought Fisher's pulley and in my opinion I agree with Aeromax... the prices for all the MINI stuff made by the "name brand" companies are ridiculous... think about this.. an AEM CAI for a mazdaspeed6 (which I own) costs $275 new... that's 3 pieces, bigger tubing (2.75"), it's longer (about 4-5 ft, 2 sets of "rubber" elbows, nuts and bolts plus a bigger filter... How much is a CAI say in this case from ALTA? $279.00 and that's about 2-3 ft of tubing and a foam filter..
So what I am saying is that the mini tuner community needs to stop thinking that the more money the better. I am very happy with Fisher's product, no burrs, very clean grooves, everything was perfect. and the price cannot be beaten.
Sorry for going off topic
Plus Adam, Fisher was saying that his ALTA pulley had issues so he made his own.. he never came here and started bashing your product. He bought the V1 alta and he had problems with it.
So what I am saying is that the mini tuner community needs to stop thinking that the more money the better. I am very happy with Fisher's product, no burrs, very clean grooves, everything was perfect. and the price cannot be beaten.
Sorry for going off topic
Plus Adam, Fisher was saying that his ALTA pulley had issues so he made his own.. he never came here and started bashing your product. He bought the V1 alta and he had problems with it.
Last edited by chisss; Jan 30, 2008 at 01:12 PM.
Have to say my opinion about KMT, too.
I have the 19% KMT Pulley for 15tsd KM now and I am also very happy with it like my 3 friends here in Austria. I have some other KMT stuff, too but that doesnt matter. The point is that the prices for MINI Tuning at the bigger MINI tuners are way too high and that just because of the high MINI car prices- thats a failed politics. Alta and all other tuners will have to make some price reduces if they will like to be competitive to the tuningnewcomers who have fair prices.
The high price is not the guarantee for better quality and that should more people know.
I have nothing with KMT, I just gave a visit to his garage once, because he is just 150km away of my home. I was rapidly persuaded to buy his products, by the way he is a very friendly person, too. Had a great time and hopefully the fun will last a long farther.
Best regards,
Big
I have the 19% KMT Pulley for 15tsd KM now and I am also very happy with it like my 3 friends here in Austria. I have some other KMT stuff, too but that doesnt matter. The point is that the prices for MINI Tuning at the bigger MINI tuners are way too high and that just because of the high MINI car prices- thats a failed politics. Alta and all other tuners will have to make some price reduces if they will like to be competitive to the tuningnewcomers who have fair prices.
The high price is not the guarantee for better quality and that should more people know.
I have nothing with KMT, I just gave a visit to his garage once, because he is just 150km away of my home. I was rapidly persuaded to buy his products, by the way he is a very friendly person, too. Had a great time and hopefully the fun will last a long farther.
Best regards,
Big
Sorry to the OP for having derrailed the simple question of Classic vs. v2.
My previous comment was not an attack on the quality or value of KMT pulleys . . . nor an endorsement of Alta pulleys. As you can see in my sig, i don't even have a sticker from either (in fact, if I spent more time working on my car than I do surfing NAM, I might get around to installing the used helix pulley sitting in my garage
).
My comment was directed at the fact that I hope vendors do not feel free to comment on discussions of other's products -- especially under the obvious guise of being joe-consumer, rather than a salesman or owner of the competing manufacturer. I am sure many manufacturers and vendors have obtained the products of their competitors, tested them and found (probably 95% of the time or more) that their product is superior to the other guy's. Some of these threads get heated enough with customer feedback (as they probably should if we're to get 'unbiased' input from both the happy and the unsatisfied), without having the actual vendors chiming in against each other.
Fisher probably didn't intend to start something like that, and i just wanted to point out that the forum probably wouldn't benefit from each vendor chiming in on what they think of the competitor's product and prices -- i think we can assume that each vendor thinks his pulley is the best value available to the paying consumer.
My 2 --or 3 -- cents.
I just hope we can get back to a discussion of the differences between the 2 pulleys the OP asked about.
My previous comment was not an attack on the quality or value of KMT pulleys . . . nor an endorsement of Alta pulleys. As you can see in my sig, i don't even have a sticker from either (in fact, if I spent more time working on my car than I do surfing NAM, I might get around to installing the used helix pulley sitting in my garage
).My comment was directed at the fact that I hope vendors do not feel free to comment on discussions of other's products -- especially under the obvious guise of being joe-consumer, rather than a salesman or owner of the competing manufacturer. I am sure many manufacturers and vendors have obtained the products of their competitors, tested them and found (probably 95% of the time or more) that their product is superior to the other guy's. Some of these threads get heated enough with customer feedback (as they probably should if we're to get 'unbiased' input from both the happy and the unsatisfied), without having the actual vendors chiming in against each other.
Fisher probably didn't intend to start something like that, and i just wanted to point out that the forum probably wouldn't benefit from each vendor chiming in on what they think of the competitor's product and prices -- i think we can assume that each vendor thinks his pulley is the best value available to the paying consumer.
My 2 --or 3 -- cents.
I just hope we can get back to a discussion of the differences between the 2 pulleys the OP asked about.
Last edited by eager2own; Jan 30, 2008 at 02:27 PM.
I agree, I don't think vendors should discuss each other's products in any way. Fisher however, is not a vendor. He may build his own pullies, but he doesn't have NAM vendor status, nor does he even have much market in this country. To my knowledge, I only know of 4 pullies that have been sold to people in the USA, 3 of which are me and my two friends. 
That said, if Fisher WISHES to become a vendor here, he should probably learn.

That said, if Fisher WISHES to become a vendor here, he should probably learn.
Just to make sure everyone is aware. fisher was initially posting in this thread and criticizing Alta products as what appeared as an unsatisfied customer. He is, in fact, a representative (or owner) of KMT . Given this I'm going to lock the thread as Adam has addressed the initial poster's questions.
Fisher (aka Ambroz) has been emailed about using the site as a vendor and if he chooses to join we'll figure out how best to support him.
BTW - td66snrf (Tim) contacted me and wanted to express appreciation to those that helped to answer his initial questions
Mark
Fisher (aka Ambroz) has been emailed about using the site as a vendor and if he chooses to join we'll figure out how best to support him.
BTW - td66snrf (Tim) contacted me and wanted to express appreciation to those that helped to answer his initial questions
Mark
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