SCDA HPDE Schedule
But lots of treated concrete patches makes it really hard to drive in the wet.
I think the changes were made for NASCAR, and they do not run when it is raining.
Ok...Nitto says (I called) that mid to high 30's for target hot temps for the NT01's in 17".....slightly lower for 15's that I run.
This will be a bit of a learning curve since all I had to do with the R6's is shoot for 40 hot.
This will be a bit of a learning curve since all I had to do with the R6's is shoot for 40 hot.
So for me, I found that starting the fronts out at about 28psi get the tires to about 38psi hot. Rears I was comfy with at about 35psi hot.
First I started at 33 cold all around and the temps were like 43/44 up front and a little less out back.
It's a big difference from the R6's and the laps times at WGI ended up being about 4/5 seconds slower per lap.
The Nitto's don't have anywhere's near the turn-in ability of the Hoosiers which resulted in my exit speeds suffering some (read understeer).....I also thought they were a little less sure under hard breaking but I just don't know if I can put it down to the tires or if it may also have something to do with the new rotors and pads as well. 
So I ended up breaking earlier with these tires than before.
The other side of the story is that since they were less grippy you could slide the car thru the bus stop a bunch more, which was sometimes quite fun! I bet the corner workers at the exit of the bus stop had fun watching that...
My dilemma is do I want to go faster for more $$ (about $400) or be happy with long wearing, consistant tires? The tires have about 8 - 1/2 hour sessions on them and still have tread left before they become slicks - at which point they are still good. I wish I had two sets of rims and the room to transport them!!
Oh yeah, they tires have quite a bit of a roar when you get on the brakes from a high speeds. Must be those big tread blocks....
First I started at 33 cold all around and the temps were like 43/44 up front and a little less out back.
It's a big difference from the R6's and the laps times at WGI ended up being about 4/5 seconds slower per lap.
The Nitto's don't have anywhere's near the turn-in ability of the Hoosiers which resulted in my exit speeds suffering some (read understeer).....I also thought they were a little less sure under hard breaking but I just don't know if I can put it down to the tires or if it may also have something to do with the new rotors and pads as well. So I ended up breaking earlier with these tires than before. The other side of the story is that since they were less grippy you could slide the car thru the bus stop a bunch more, which was sometimes quite fun! I bet the corner workers at the exit of the bus stop had fun watching that...
My dilemma is do I want to go faster for more $$ (about $400) or be happy with long wearing, consistant tires? The tires have about 8 - 1/2 hour sessions on them and still have tread left before they become slicks - at which point they are still good. I wish I had two sets of rims and the room to transport them!!
Oh yeah, they tires have quite a bit of a roar when you get on the brakes from a high speeds. Must be those big tread blocks....
I could prabably do Monticello and VIR with these tires I have now...I made sure I rotated them and they all look the same.
The R6's would be basically done after two days at WGI running an open track event... Kaa ching!! Next set please!!
The R6's would be basically done after two days at WGI running an open track event... Kaa ching!! Next set please!!
So for me, I found that starting the fronts out at about 28psi get the tires to about 38psi hot. Rears I was comfy with at about 35psi hot.
First I started at 33 cold all around and the temps were like 43/44 up front and a little less out back.
It's a big difference from the R6's and the laps times at WGI ended up being about 4/5 seconds slower per lap. The Nitto's don't have anywhere's near the turn-in ability of the Hoosiers which resulted in my exit speeds suffering some (read understeer).....I also thought they were a little less sure under hard breaking but I just don't know if I can put it down to the tires or if it may also have something to do with the new rotors and pads as well. So I ended up breaking earlier with these tires than before.
The other side of the story is that since they were less grippy you could slide the car thru the bus stop a bunch more, which was sometimes quite fun! I bet the corner workers at the exit of the bus stop had fun watching that...
My dilemma is do I want to go faster for more $$ (about $400) or be happy with long wearing, consistant tires? The tires have about 8 - 1/2 hour sessions on them and still have tread left before they become slicks - at which point they are still good. I wish I had two sets of rims and the room to transport them!!
Oh yeah, they tires have quite a bit of a roar when you get on the brakes from a high speeds. Must be those big tread blocks....
First I started at 33 cold all around and the temps were like 43/44 up front and a little less out back.
It's a big difference from the R6's and the laps times at WGI ended up being about 4/5 seconds slower per lap.
The Nitto's don't have anywhere's near the turn-in ability of the Hoosiers which resulted in my exit speeds suffering some (read understeer).....I also thought they were a little less sure under hard breaking but I just don't know if I can put it down to the tires or if it may also have something to do with the new rotors and pads as well. So I ended up breaking earlier with these tires than before. The other side of the story is that since they were less grippy you could slide the car thru the bus stop a bunch more, which was sometimes quite fun! I bet the corner workers at the exit of the bus stop had fun watching that...
My dilemma is do I want to go faster for more $$ (about $400) or be happy with long wearing, consistant tires? The tires have about 8 - 1/2 hour sessions on them and still have tread left before they become slicks - at which point they are still good. I wish I had two sets of rims and the room to transport them!!
Oh yeah, they tires have quite a bit of a roar when you get on the brakes from a high speeds. Must be those big tread blocks....
I think I might also try BFG R1 as I have heard great things about that tire as well.
Sliding is lots of fun so it may be the right tire for me.
Yup -- got it. Did you notice tho that the email was confirmation to attend the August 2010 event on the "Full Course", not the Grand Course?? I missed that when I replied and then got the Tech email with the June info... weird!
I've sent another responce asking for clarification..
I've sent another responce asking for clarification..
It says "this can be you" so that is what it will be. 
From my experience running with PDA/G52/Kojote/SCDA/EMRA....nobody checks and/or actually requires you to have gone to a shop. They don't even look at the form other than to see that you have it. Especially if your a return customer.
I did it for my very first track event back in '08 and haven't done it since...
From my experience running with PDA/G52/Kojote/SCDA/EMRA....nobody checks and/or actually requires you to have gone to a shop. They don't even look at the form other than to see that you have it. Especially if your a return customer.
I did it for my very first track event back in '08 and haven't done it since...
My toughest tech was at a PDA event last year. They were very concerned about my harness attachment points. After some discussion, they said that MINI's are allowed to have them done as mine are. Not sure what the details were, but I've had no problems since; maybe because I'm a return customer or maybe because my checks always clear. 
The guys @ SCDA hardly look at the car anymore before the sticker goes on the windshield. My biggest nightmare about track events is being behind a car that starts to leak antifreeze or oil. Most of those situations can't be predicted or detected during tech, I'm afraid.
The guys @ SCDA hardly look at the car anymore before the sticker goes on the windshield. My biggest nightmare about track events is being behind a car that starts to leak antifreeze or oil. Most of those situations can't be predicted or detected during tech, I'm afraid.
Yeah...In the words of Bill Prout....."This is big boy tech", meaning it's on you! 
And yes - sliding on antifreeze or whatever is slippery isn't cool. I think Harry had an "oh shoot" moment at LRP, didn't he? Exiting Westbend no less...
I had a surprise going into the Bus Stop at WGI last October in my 1st session of the weekend. Somebody dropped fluid and I had quite the moment when I hit the brakes but luckily nothing bad happened.
And yes - sliding on antifreeze or whatever is slippery isn't cool. I think Harry had an "oh shoot" moment at LRP, didn't he? Exiting Westbend no less...
I had a surprise going into the Bus Stop at WGI last October in my 1st session of the weekend. Somebody dropped fluid and I had quite the moment when I hit the brakes but luckily nothing bad happened.
Man, the bus stop is the last place I'd want to have a 'moment'. That's where Lord of the Flies rolled his MINI. Glad yours stayed shiny side up. Harry did slide on some type of fluid (I think it was oil) and ended up just a couple of feet short of the wall as he brought his car to a stop after Westbend. I wonder how often this occurs during the course of a typical HPDE season.
Last edited by veggivet; May 9, 2010 at 04:14 PM.
Oh yeah, the "big boy tech". It is a novel concept of being responsible for the track worthiness of your own car.
From all the time I have spent out on track, I have only one fluid on track moment so far. Driving down the LRP downhill, then seeing all the cars in front of me playing pinball, total 4 cars, all ending up at or near the armco at trackout. Had a rather large OS moment but I went off line so I was OK. All from coolant from a crash the session before. You could actual see the shine from the fluid.
From all the time I have spent out on track, I have only one fluid on track moment so far. Driving down the LRP downhill, then seeing all the cars in front of me playing pinball, total 4 cars, all ending up at or near the armco at trackout. Had a rather large OS moment but I went off line so I was OK. All from coolant from a crash the session before. You could actual see the shine from the fluid.
That is somewhat reassuring, knowing how long you've been tracking your various cars. I have two questions for you: How long ago did this happen; why wasn't the fluid cleaned up after the crash during the previous session?
About four years ago, not sure what outfit it was.
I guess they did not see the fluid when they did the check. That was my last ride on the track with the Lotus. The week after that it was demolished in the flood at the dealership.
I guess they did not see the fluid when they did the check. That was my last ride on the track with the Lotus. The week after that it was demolished in the flood at the dealership.
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Just got back from my first-ever track day(s) at WGI. Got to meet VeggieVet and a few others from CT/NY/MA. My instructor was so impressed that he recommended me for the Intermediate group at my next session (probably Lime Rock in October).
This is going to get very expensive, very quickly
This is going to get very expensive, very quickly
Any news on the repair?