Isn't it about time? The new Hardtops and 5-doors are coming so what about the CM's?

Will it be a facelift?

Will it be a new model?

When?

I've wanted this thing since it came out but the "quirks" have deterred me. Throw in that BMW turbo-4, just a little more interior space and sign me up.

 

If you want your money's worth, buy an X1 or. X3. Less problems, a tad more room, better performance, and about the same price. You can get an X1 28sDrive for roughly the same amount as a mildly optioned CM-S.

 

Or check out the new GLA. http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...pe-ride-review

Honestly, the new GTI would be my first choice.

 

Awesome. Trying to talk me out of a CM in a CM forum.

 

A 2014/5 CM facelift does not share any of the innovations of the new F56 (engine, interior eg. head up display).

In Germany we have lots of guys working for BMW and they do not see any "new Countryman" before 2016. Some of the drove the new F56 as well for some weeks.

http://www.mini2.info/forum/showthre...tryman&page=66

 

Agreed, but the X1 is going to cost you significantly more when comparably equipped, and the X3 substantially more.

 

I caught that too. Welcome to NAM.

Since the model lineup is being replaced as it was introduced, it's likely that this will be the order: 1. Hardtop, 2. Clubman, 3. Cabrio,
4. Countryman/Paceman, 5. Coupe/Roadster. Very likely, the new Countryman and Paceman will not be introduced until 2016 or 2017. I don't see them making any significant changes to the model until the new ones arrive, just some changes to the option packages and colors. It would be nice to see a Volcanic Orange/Black Countryman for sure! The biggest question is whether they will switch to the new nine-speed auto transmission during the current product cycle. It was designed to fit the R and F series cars, so it COULD work in the current Countryman. That could happen for 2015 or 2016.

 

yeah.. not sure why someone that doesn't have a CM is talking you out of a CM.

as a CM owner...
the only change i'd like to see is tweaking the airflow across the boot so it doesn't set so freakin' dirty, and a bonnet scoot would be a wishlist. the new design on the r56s isn't really to my taste so i'd prefer the keep the current CM style.

 

I'm guessing facelift for 2015 and new design in 2018, based on the usual BMW 7 year life cycle.

 

I agree with Shark715. How did you conclude that an X1 and X3 has about the same pricing as a CM? Huh? The sticker on a base X3 with absolutely no options at all is over $40k! I do like all three vehicles, but you are talking about three vehicles at significantly different price points. It's true that the CM price can go into the stratosphere when you load it with options, but the same applies to the X1 and X3!.

 

A BASE CM-S is roughly 26,000. Once you add a couple things you are easily in the mid-to-upper 30's. A base X1 starts right at 30K and comes with more standard equipment. It has a more powerful engine, RWD, is based on the venerable last gen 3 series, and is a little bigger. For a couple thousand bucks extra, my recommendation would definitely be to get the X1. If you are trying to get a CM JCW, you might even save some money on an X1, since CM JCW's start at 36K

 

Only reason I'm recommending other cars, is because the "quirks" of the current car prevented you from buying it, and unless you want to wait several years to get an "improved" one, you have other options that I would personally recommend before getting a CM.

 

I didn't buy a CM for the reasons above. It loses the fling-ability of the hatch, costs as much as other larger and faster crossovers, and as the OP said, has had the current gen "quirks". He mentioned the quirks preventing him from buying the current car, so yes I was telling him that if he wanted to get a car now without those quirks, he has other options to look at for roughly the same money.

 

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/bmw/201...-ar159815.html

READ THE LAST PARAGRAPH ON THE PAGE

 

All correct, but again, you aren't comparing apples to apples equipped cars. How much more is the X1 going to cost when you add the same options that brought the CM-S up to the mid and upper 30's? You may be in for some sticker shock. And if you chose EVERY factory option on a CMS you would still be well below the price for a base X3 with absolutely no options. And to now have to introduce the JCW into the conversation to make the point that a CM could cost more than an X1 (or an X3 for that matter) makes no sense. I just don't see any potential buyer comparing a fully optioned JCW to a base X3 with no options, do you?

 

Let's forget the X3 since you can't see it. If you just focus on the X1, it's a better buy. It's faster, more efficient, roomier, RWD, and if you look at any MINI dealership, it's hard to find any CM S under 34K. If you can cough up that much money for a countryman, it would only make sense to spend that much or maybe even a grand or two more to get a well-equipped X1

 

Personally, id skip the BMW products completely if reliability is a concern, and look at the Mk7 GTI. Similar size as the CM, faster, more efficient, cheaper, etc...

 

Don't enjoy the current gen X1. It can't make up its mind whether it wants to be a crossover or a wagon, and not in the good way an All-road does it. The CM just looks fantastic in my opinion and has a smaller footprint. As far as toss ability, when you compare it to ANY other crossover out there, it blows them out of the water.

Our next car will likely be a Q5 or if VW brings the new MKVII golf chassis to the Tiguans with some solid driveline choices. The Q5 isn't really much fun (unless you hop into the SQ5), but a new Tiguan, if it follows the correct formula could turn out to be something.

 

Yeah, that's the way I would go if you are open to other options outside of BMW. I have had a lot of problems with my car, which is the same internals of the current CM, so since you were worried about quirks, I was suggesting looking other places. The next-gen Q5 should be an awesome ride. I'm not sure about this, but I think they might release a Q3 for the US In a couple of years.

 

I'm not sure exactly which paragraph you are referring to, but if you mean the conclusion that the X1 is superior, I would not argue with that. But the article also says that the CM is priced right at the same levels as the X1, and that's just not true. All you have to do is price one out versus the other on the respective configuators to see it. And the difference is significant. That's the point that the other poster and I are making. One would hope that when you step up significantly in price from one model to another from the same manufacturer you are getting something better.

 

OK, so you are admitting that there is a huge price disparity between the CM and X3 You were the one that mentioned the X3 was about the same price as a CM. The fact is that a comparably equipped X1 is several thousand more than a CMS, and sometimes even more than that depending on the exact options chosen.

 

No, to get a CM that is similarly equipped performance wise to an X3, you have to move up to a JCW CM. You are still getting less power, smaller size, and most likely a less reliable car. The JCW is the only model CM I would consider, since the 181hp is too asthmatic to push the 3000+ lbs. The N20 has plenty of power to push the X1 and X3 around with room to spare. The price discrepancy isn't as big as you'd think. A JCW CM starts near 37K, an X3 starts at 39K.

 

It is true. The price discrepancy is so small. That's what the issue is with the CM. There are a lot of other options out there that make more sense in performance, price, efficiency, and quality factors.

 

My almost fully loaded CMS with JCW body kit stickered in the high-ish 30's. I believe a comparably equipped X1 would be AT LEAST 5000 more. I know I get way less power (the N20 motor is great; I had a loaner 328 for a weekend), but I do get, IMO, a better-looking car as well as a car that fits my budget and city lifestyle (as we all know, MINIs are great for parking). I personally dislike the looks of the X1. Anyway, to each his own.

EDIT: I just configured a comparably equipped X1, and the price difference is roughly 5000.

 

Look, you are wasting everyone's time here publishing statements that just aren't true at all. You are not fooling anyone here as we all have access to the pricing info. If what you contend is true, you would have already showed us the pricing details of comparably equipped CMS's and X1's. But you didn't because you already know the facts don't support what you are saying. Instead of just admitting you did not check your facts before making your original assertions regarding the pricing of the CMS versus X1, you switched to using a much more expensive CM model (the JCW) to compare to the X1.