Man, you guys sure are entertaining...

For what you get, the JCW is definitely pricey; I personally wouldn't pay that much for one. However, those who do are also paying for exclusivity. How many JCW CMs have you seen on the road?

Why do some people pay $$$ for a Rolex when a Seiko serves the same purpose?

Why do some people buy an R56S, and not...let's say...a Mazdaspeed 3?

Anyway, this argument will never end. Every car has their pros/cons, whether it be performance, utility, style, or exclusivity. The monetary value of these factors is for each consumer to decide.

ChiliRedR56raleigh - You've laid out your argument, but as you can see, trying to sway people in a CM enthusiast forum is a tough order. Perhaps it's time to give it a rest? Also, name calling won't help your cause.

P.S. Just to add some fuel to the fire...since the JCW is all4, it's better to compare it to the xDrive X1, whose base price is more than the 2wd sDrive.

 

If you want to compare a JCW CM to an X1 then absolutely the xDrive is the way to compare. If you compare the FWD, the sDrive is the only way to compare the two. I think the CM and X1 both have their strengths and weaknesses, I just don't understand why it's so hard for someone to see that they are in the same price point. They target the same demographic as well, since they are small and expensive.

 

Well stated.... particularly the line "perhaps it's time to give it a rest?"

 

This is a forum. It's about opinions and thoughts. If you can't handle a disagreement between two thoughts, you shouldn't be a member of a forum. My, or any other members posts have no effect on you or what you are doing. This is not Iran, we can have our own thoughts and express them.

 

If you really believed that, then you would not be calling other forum members "morons" and "delusional".

 

When people make such idiotic statements as they did, there are only so many words I can use to describe what they said. I didn't get all bent out of shape about what was said. I was attacked first for making an honest point on this forum. I had no idea that people would take my recommendation of looking at other cars so personally.

 

Traded in a BMW X5 4.8 for a CMS, no regrets at all. Cost of ownership for a MINI is significantly cheaper. Just gas and go for the first 36k is all the peace of mind I needed. Have just as much if not more fun while driving and get plenty of lookers and compliment. Not sure we are comparing apples to apples with the MINI vs the BMW debate, this coming from some one who owned/ owns both. my 2cents....

 

An X5 and a CM aren't anywhere near Apples to Apples. The price and target audience is nowhere near the same. The X1 is aimed at people who want a sporty "cute-ute" just like the CM, and don't mind paying a lot for it, just like the MINI. Just like how a 7-series and an Audi RS4 aren't the same, but an M3 and the RS4 are competitive.

 

thank you for making my point, X5 4.8 is twice the car of any configured MINI CM, yet I replaced it with A MINI CMS and am thrilled eveyday i did it. I doubt I would feel the same if I got a X3 or X1. Thus concluding the argument that a X1 is the same as A CM. no fun factor in an entry level luxury SUV. And as wee all agree not cheaper either.. TY

 

I don't know how you are comparing an X5 to a CM. I just compared the X5 to the 7series. It's like saying that the Nissan juke isn't a competitor to the CM because it costs less and has more equipment. An X1 is based on the E90 3-Series. It will out perform a CM on any day of the week, so unless you have driven both, which obviously you didn't, you have no idea what you are talking about. This whole argument was about an X1 being competitively priced to the CM, and competiting for the same business. I guess you didn't read.

 

I read all the post looks like you are outnumbered here with this argument and are now reaching with the Nissan comment. In fact i read all the post looks like your on an island in this forum. I have driven all the X series and NONE compare to a MINI for a variety of reasons including price, and cost of ownership. My point which you keep confirming is that the MINI can not be compared to a BMW just as A nissan cant be compared to A MINI. BTW thanks for bringing the Juke into the convo , just proves my point even more. looks like you are down for the count on this one, time to take your opinion to a new forum, perhaps a BMW one or a Juke one. good luck..

 

Lmao. The cost of ownership is lower on the BMW's than the MINI. BMW has a better standard maintenance plan than MINI, and the cost to repair is the same. The X1 also is more fuel efficient than the CM. The only people that are defending the CM are people who shelled out nearly 40K. It's called defending your investment. From the way you talk, it seems like you don't even realize that BMW makes MINI. I don't know why I'm arguing with you, you are the one who bought a CM and an X5 4.8 so you know everything.

 

Driven all the X series. results- X1 seemed like a small sports car with a bit more rear cargo space, sort of like a well equipped mazda .... X3 was a passenger for a lengthy road trip and it seemed a bit cramped on the inside for its exterior size , boring drive and underpowered. All the characteristics listed above do not compare to the CM at all. Myself and most if not all people who have driven in or drive a CMS feel that it is bigger on the inside than you would think, it drives like a sports car with a go cart feel, it is fun, it is unique, and has a surprisingly more cargo space than one would think. that is nothing like any of the X series. So again this is why they do not compete. if you choose an X1 over the CMS so be it , but you are getting a much different vehicle.

 

BMW makes MINI??????? who knew, did you do alot of research to get that info? My point is I have extensive experience with BMW and now drive A MINI, and love it.. A BMW is A BMW for better or worse, and a MINI is not A BMW, even though they are owned not made by BMW. they are not rolling off the same assembly lines with the same standards.

 

My suggestion is that we just all stop responding to this guy (I see that there's a button called "edit ignore list"). His only intention here is to just stir up trouble here as he just continues to make up ridiculous statements that have no basis in fact, and then have us try to show that he is wrong...like the CMS is priced similar to the X3, the cost to repair is the same (how would he possibly know that at this point), the cost of ownership is lower, etc...and throwing out price comparisons that clearly are not apples to apples (like adding options to a CM price, but not on the X1, hoping we don't bother to check his calculations). And when you point out to him that he's dead wrong, he won't admit it, and starts again with a new set of supposed facts. He's just getting off on irritating the rest of us, and we can stop it now.

 

I agree hogan, i think we have all made our points and proved him wrong on many occasions , but you must admit there is some pleasure as we all unite as MINI owners to stand up for the choice we made as becoming part of the MINI "family" and put him in his place. Motor on........... and remember to wave. (doubt the X1 owners do that)..

 

They are made by BMW. Every piece of trim in your car is made to BMW spec. MagnaSteyr does the actual build in Graz, Austria. If you look at any piece of trim in your car, it says BMW group. The R&D is done in Munich at the BMW HQ, it's a BMW. MINI is no more than a marque. Your argument is silly. Are you also going to tell me that Acura isn't a Honda, Infiniti isn't Nissan, etc?

 

Hogan's suggestion is correct, he is merely having fun wasting our time,

 

And when you add all of the numbers up:

To me they make no difference. THE MINI IS MORE. F U N ! ! ! !

 

[...] Bottom line We all know which car we want, and have, and this guy needs to be dismissed, as well as all his childish remarks, no room for him in this club.

 

It's not just this thread either. He's constantly argumentative and obnoxious. If we had the ability to hide certain users' posts like other forums he'd be first on my list.

 

Okay, all--after a little housecleaning...let's get back on track.

 

So wait... MINI owners do wave at one another?

 

thank you.

 

Some do and more should.