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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 04:08 PM
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Gas Pedal Delay

This has gotten so bad that when I am turning onto a busy street or highway I am getting very good at flooring the pedal before a passing car is even close to passing to me. this is so the engine kicks in a second after they pass me. I am counting 3-5 secs from when I floor the pedal to when the engine actually responds. 12K miles so far so this is nothing new to me , but what is up?
 
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 05:10 PM
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Welcome to drive by wire. Many of us use a SprintBooster which is takes care of the delay and is adjustable. You could also get a ECU tune. I love my SB and would never drive a DBW car without one again.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 05:33 PM
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Does it work with no issues? I've read all about ECU tunes, Racechips and Sprintboosters. Information overload.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 05:37 PM
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If you just use a lighter pedal until 2000 rpm so the turbo is working then floor it you will get much better response.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 05:39 PM
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3-5 seconds? that does not sound like an electronic throttle delay...there's just no way any car company could get that past NHTSA-serious safety issue....there has to be something wrong

The way the OP describes the issue(mashing the go-fast pedal), it sounds like they have an auto trans....we test drove an auto(though not very far!), and the throttle response was fine. quick takeoffs from lights...no noticeable lag at all...just from the turbo....now, this was a 2013, not a 2012..

dealer time...it's well within warranty...
 
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by bguarino
Does it work with no issues? I've read all about ECU tunes, Racechips and Sprintboosters. Information overload.
Zero issues. 3-5 seconds sounds extreme though. Can you tell us more about your car. Auto or stick, year and model?
 
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 05:53 PM
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2012, auto, countryman sport. all the mods as listed. it only happens from a dead stop.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 06:04 PM
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Does your sport button help?
 
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 06:16 PM
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maybe a heat stroke ??
 
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 06:34 PM
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When you hit the pedal does the car go forward and the delay is in the acceleration, or does the car not move at all? My BMW X3 sometimes hesitates before acceleration kicks in and that's aggravating but it sounds like what you have is much worse and potentially unsafe. Has the dealer looked into it before?

12K miles of this - I admire your patience.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 07:14 PM
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just to clarify it's only on full pedal press. otherwise it moves just fine with light taps. sport does not help.

I wonder if it's a strange safety mechanism to prevent accidental full acceleration in a parking lot or something.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 08:26 PM
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I had the some problem. Bought the sprint booster and love it! Night and Day.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 09:25 PM
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Dynamic stability control will kill your power if you try to accelerate with wide open throttle while the front wheels are turned. Try less throttle to get moving then progressively more throttle while you straighten the wheels.
 
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Old Jul 21, 2013 | 07:35 AM
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Dynamic stability control will kill your power if you try to accelerate with wide open throttle while the front wheels are turned. Try less throttle to get moving then progressively more throttle while you straighten the wheels.
Wow, does this explanation make good sense, and was immediately related to our household!
 
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Old Jul 21, 2013 | 07:40 AM
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Dynamic stability control will kill your power if you try to accelerate with wide open throttle while the front wheels are turned. Try less throttle to get moving then progressively more throttle while you straighten the wheels.
While this is definitely true for most of the MINI line, the All4 doesn't really suffer the same problem unless you're on snow/ice. The 50/50 split from takeoff prevents wheelspin in almost all conditions.
 
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Old Jul 21, 2013 | 11:46 AM
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The DSC light would turn on if dynamic stability control cuts the power. If you don't get power and the DSC light doesn't flash, your problem is somewhere else.
 
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Old Jul 21, 2013 | 12:38 PM
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I wouldn't think DSC had much to do with this. Seems DTC would be the more likely culprit, if it is computer related at all.
 
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Old Jul 21, 2013 | 01:45 PM
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The DTC definitely causes a problem; try disabling both altogether and see how it feels. The SprintBooster will also immediately help. An ECU tune can also help remove this delay.

As for CELs, I've never seen a CEL from the SprintBooster (since it's at the throttle side long before anything else cares to even look).
 
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Old Jul 21, 2013 | 01:48 PM
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Could be. I just don't see why stability control would be an issue at low speeds. How unstable could the car be? Traction control, however, is mostly about low speeds.
 
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Old Jul 21, 2013 | 02:01 PM
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I might be wrong, but I believe disabling DTC also disables DSC (unsure if you have to disable each individually or not). All I know is that prior to the SprintBooster or ECU tune, if I wanted off the line at a reasonable speed, DTC needed to at least be off.
 
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Old Jul 21, 2013 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Llanrhaeadr_Cymru
Wow, does this explanation make good sense, and was immediately related to our household!
It is standard performance driving technique whether you have computer nannies or not. A tire can only provide so much grip and it must be proportioned between accelerating and cornering when you want to do both at the same time.

I just tried a WOT, full lock, ninety-degree right turn from a full stop in my justa. I had to violently unwind the wheel AND get partly out of the throttle to keep the MINI from murdering the cluster mail boxes on the corner. I DO NOT recommend trying this while turning left through oncoming traffic.
 
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Old Jul 21, 2013 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by threar
I might be wrong, but I believe disabling DTC also disables DSC (unsure if you have to disable each individually or not). All I know is that prior to the SprintBooster or ECU tune, if I wanted off the line at a reasonable speed, DTC needed to at least be off.
No, not on the 2013 Countryman S anyway. Two different systems. Same switch but there is a press/hold to disable the DTC. A simple flip disables DSC.

However, both of these are easy to test to see if it is the OP's issue. When they engage, lights on the dash (Tach I believe - would have to check the manual) come on to show the systems are taking control. If that isn't happening, then it is something else.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2013 | 11:51 AM
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I have noticed this on my new Paceman which is Auto Trans. My 2011 Manual CMS did not have this issue. I chalk this up to the Auto trans and drive by wire. It isn't 3 full seconds but maybe .5-1 second.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2013 | 03:51 PM
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When at full stop, facing straight floored the gas..car took off no problem.

At full stop turn the wheels all the way to right, floored the gas again, car took off, tracking light kicked in for about a second or two. No delay

I have 2012 all4 Auto.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2013 | 04:47 PM
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I notice something similar with my manual Paceman All-4. If I mash it from a dead stop (in non-sport mode), it dogs bad, no matter how much I feather the clutch. Seems like if I ease on it for about a second then give it the gas after the clutch is fully engaged, it goes ok. Very weird, and sometimes very annoying. Trying to get a decent launch in normal mode is just not happening. The difference in sport mode is night and day -- but I shouldn't have to flip that #%!# switch every time I get in it just to have a bit of fun. I do have to admit that I know I was severely spoiled by my tuned MCS, which never had to see sport mode. But still ...

So this Sprint Booster -- does it work on Countryman & Paceman? They only have Mini Cooper/S/Clubman from 2001-2012 listed on the web site. (My Paceman is obviously a 2013.)
 
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