Are Ceramic Pads Available ?

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Old 11-16-2017, 02:17 PM
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Are Ceramic Pads Available ?

My 2018 JCW Convertible's Brembo Brakes (Front), and I'm not sure
who supplies the OEM 'Rears', are producing too much dust for my liking.
R1 concepts doesn't have Ceramic Pads for the car (neither front or rear),
and I would like to know if any other company has a high quality Ceramic
set of 4 available for the car?
 
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Old 11-16-2017, 04:46 PM
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There aren't tons of options out there for our cars, S or JCW. I think the JCW has a few more options.

G-Loc brakes, while expensive are incredible. They have pads for both JCW and S models, you would want the GS-1 as anything above that is for auto-x or track and will create more dust and noise. When you search for our cars in their product search their latest year is 2015 but the pads are for all F56 models, they are the same pad across the years.

Also Way sells them: https://www.waymotorworks.com/g-loc-...6-f57-jcw.html

Or, you could just ask your speed shop buddy
 
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Old 11-16-2017, 05:41 PM
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G-Loc Price is WOW! You're not 'moonlighting' as a 'commision'
sales rep for them, are you ? LOL
 
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Old 11-16-2017, 05:43 PM
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For the price of those pads, stick with your original pads and pay to have someone ceramic coat your wheels or do it yourself for $50 or less in materials. Makes cleaning them a lot easier.
 
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Old 11-16-2017, 05:57 PM
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I became 'spoiled' when my T-Beetle was fitted with ceramic pads.
I had brakes similar to those 'Big Brembo's' and, like the JCW, getting
into the tight area caused by those 4-pots was a real pain in the rear
end. If I had access to a power water supply it wouldn't have been so
bad but not having that, I'd like to deal with 'minimal' dust once a week.
Ceramic pads allowed me to do that. They are truly that good. The rear
pads produced only a minute amount of dust that required easy cleaning
every two to three weeks.
 
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Old 11-17-2017, 03:53 AM
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I've used these brakes in the past and they were great on my wife lil truck. Plus friends have talk positive of them. I was considering them in the future for my Mini. Might be worth looking into them.

http://brakeperformance.com
 
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Old 11-17-2017, 04:50 AM
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Thanks for the info but they don'st have anything for the
current 2017 or 2018 Mini car.
 
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Old 11-18-2017, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ridgemanron View Post
G-Loc Price is WOW! You're not 'moonlighting' as a 'commision'
sales rep for them, are you ? LOL
You ask for product recommendations, there are not many out there for pads, so when I recommend something that I know is a great product are you always going to respond with "are you a sales rep for them"

I have stock pads. Cannot justify the price for G-Loc pads yet.

Also keep in mind that brake pads listed as 2015 and higher should work just fine as Mini hasn't changed anything about brake pads on any of the model years.
 
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Old 11-18-2017, 09:01 AM
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I believe I made it clear that I'm only interested in
a specific, reasonably priced 'all ceramic' pad for
the 'fronts' and 'rears'. If someone can supply a
specific brand I would appreciate it, noting of course
that the fronts are Brembo 4-Pots which do not apply
to other than the JCW Mini.

Note: So far, the following Front Pads for the F57 are the closest
to an 'All Ceramic' with regard to reduced dust being emitted.
Carbotech Bobcat 1521 (Slotted for factory brake wear sensor).
Available for $272.95, Less 5% with Promo Code GET5, at
www.newminimania.com

Am continuing to try and find the 'All Ceramic' and may know more
by next week. The above are not offered for the Rear Brakes on the
F57.
 

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Old 11-19-2017, 06:37 AM
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I believe I made it clear that I'm only interested in a specific, reasonably priced 'all ceramic' pad…
It's in the nature of people to help as best they can. He supplied some experience with a pad that met all of your criteria except one. And as has been noted, there are not a lot of options for our car.

Instead of complaining about someone helping by offering an option that you might not have known about, how about a polite "Thanks for the idea, but I'm set on ceramic!"

Other people are not here for your convenience. If you want someone to do research to your precise specifications, pay them. Otherwise, take what advice is offered with the same generousity of spirit that it was given you.
 
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Old 11-19-2017, 11:36 AM
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'Trentiles' is someone who insinuated that another enthusiast
was too passionate about exclaiming the virtues of Dinan's
Elite Tune, implying he might be a rep for Dinan. Then when I
made a LOL comment about his posting about the expensive
G-Loc Pads, he claims to be offended. Get real my friend, get real.

P.S. - If you want some more of his 'snide' remarks to me, let
me know and we will go over them in depth.
 

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Old 11-19-2017, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ridgemanron View Post
'Trentiles' is someone who insinuated that another enthusiast
was too passionate about exclaiming the virtues of Dinan's
Elite Tune, implying he might be a rep for Dinan. Then when I
made a LOL comment about his posting about the expensive
G-Loc Pads, he claims to be offended. Get real my friend, get real.

P.S. - If you want some more of his 'snide' remarks to me, let
me know and we will go over them in depth.
Wow give it a rest. I even made mention of the crazy price of the G-Loc pads. You are delusional and seem to have it out for me calling me a rep for absolutely any product I recommend for you.

I'm taking time out to try to help you, I'm sorry if what I recommend doesn't meet 100% of your requirements but there aren't many options and I recommended one that I am familiar with as some of my friends have used G-Loc pads, granted their track pads, not the GS-1 street pads.

Just trying to help but maybe I shouldn't anymore since you seems to have problems with it.

I have helped many people on this forum, sold lots of parts to people, am a contributing member. Never have I been called out for my opinion towards a product as me being paid by some company, just because you didn't like my opinion towards something you seem to really like. Also you need to relax and not take everything 100% serious about me calling you a rep for Dinan and then putting a after it. It was meant as a joke. People are going to disagree with you on forums, and your opinions AND mine are not the end all be all.

If you no longer want me to offer assistance in your threads then just let me know and I will be sure to never post in any of your threads again. No hard feelings.

Best of luck with your brake pad search, hopefully you are able to find what you are looking for.
 

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Old 11-19-2017, 01:26 PM
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Your style of insulting someone repeatedly, then offering
to reply in an opposite manner doesn't fly with me. I do
not want your 'know it all', ill mannered approach and
welcome you not responding to my threads in the future.
 
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Old 11-19-2017, 02:03 PM
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Perfect timing for you both to invoke the "ignore" feature on this forum.


Give it a rest.
 
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One last post here to save you some research time as I had some free time to check a bunch of sites. I checked Hawk, EBC, Stoptech, and Centric pads and unfortunately none of them have pads for the JCW brakes. It's unbelievable that next to no big pad manufacturer is embracing the F56 FCW that has been out for numerous years in the US and even more in EU.

Brembo hasn't even updated their catalog on their site since 2014. Embarrassing. So they may have something but you would need to contact them.

EDIT: Pagid (has pads but not ceramic), Akebono, and Mintex don't have any either. This is insane!
 

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Old 11-19-2017, 03:44 PM
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One last post here to save you some research time as I had some free time to check a bunch of sites. I checked Hawk, EBC, Stoptech, and Centric pads and unfortunately none of them have pads for the JCW brakes. It's unbelievable that next to no big pad manufacturer is embracing the F56 FCW that has been out for numerous years in the US and even more in EU.

Brembo hasn't even updated their catalog on their site since 2014. Embarrassing. So they may have something but you would need to contact them.
It's not that they aren't embracing the JCW. It's more of a lack of demand. Have to remember that all these cars are at most a couple years old. But ALL of them came with a maint plan that gives the customers FREE brakes if they wear them out. So there are very few people actually buying brakes for these cars at this time. As they get more miles and older with the warranty and maint plan expiring the demand will increase and therefore the companies that produce pads will then increase production.

EBC already has a part number and design for them as we already have them on order from EBC so we will be the first in the US with them. The rears are the same as the non JCW and we already have those in stock. They will come just will take time.
 
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Seems like you guys will have a bit of an exclusive....for a while
any way. I understand the logic you mentioned concerning there
being such a relatively small group looking to purchase them. I
would have thought that the same 4 Pot set-up on JCW cars also
fitted other cars but I guess thinking that was a mistake on my part.
 
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Old 11-20-2017, 03:56 AM
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Way - that makes perfect sense.

Looking at EBC's pad line-up it looks like the only pad that would meet OP's requirements would be the Ultimax2. Green stuff is a medium dust pad while Ultimax2 as per EBC's website dusts less than original pads.
 
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Old 11-20-2017, 05:25 AM
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Have inquired with 'Way' concerning the expected 'future'
EBC Pads, asking them if they will be, as the Carbotech
Bobcat 1521's are listed for the F57, which states they are
'Slotted For The Factory Brake Sensor'? For the record, the
1521's are listed as 'low dust' but make no mention of being
an All Ceramic pad.
 
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Old 11-20-2017, 06:01 AM
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"ceramic" is just marketing all the low dust pads are similar material and terrible performance for the sake of no dust
 
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Old 11-20-2017, 07:32 AM
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For 'no track', only 'spirited' street driving, I found no problems
having all ceramic on a Stage 2 Turbo Beetle with a similar 4-pot
set-up like the JCW 'Brembo's', and the difference in dust build-up
was substantially less and easier to remove.
 
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Old 11-20-2017, 08:24 AM
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For 'no track', only 'spirited' street driving, I found no problems
having all ceramic on a Stage 2 Turbo Beetle with a similar 4-pot
set-up like the JCW 'Brembo's', and the difference in dust build-up
was substantially less and easier to remove.
I think your definition of "spirited driving" and mine are probably not the same, I've had ebc reds smoking on tail of the dragon, low dust pads are a no go for me
 
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Old 11-20-2017, 11:17 AM
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I was under the impression that EBC Reds are Ceramic, therby
producing much less dust than pads fitted to the JCW 'Brembo's',
which look to have been made in the 'West Virgina like' coal mines
of Italy. The actual town is probably called 'Soot City'!
 
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they call ebc reds low dust too LOL all marketing real world they dust a lot for me, and can barely handle tail of the dragon. I like the reds for street us but I've switched to hawk HP+ for street/autocross the HP+ dust terrible, squeak terrible but they have a lot of torque for sticky tires

dust on the street is so minimal, I did this to a new set of wilwood BP-40 pads in one weekend they lasted 8 sessions


 
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Old 11-20-2017, 03:13 PM
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Since the EBC pads 'WayMotorWorks' is first on line to receive
here in the U.S., I'm hoping it is a true 'all ceramic' composition.
As I've stated previously, My Stage 2 T-Beetle was 'ceramic' in
the front (4 pots) and the rear (VW OEM Calipers). The rears I
reember being Raybestos All Ceramic.....but I'm not sure who
supplied the fronts. Dust accumulation was minute on all four
wheels but I was only doing street driving.
 

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