... like this:




or like this one:



I just want to make sure I get my stuff right before I ask more questions.
Personally, I don't like the exposed rim in the 2nd photo.

 

Nobody?
What are the criteria to declare that a tire stretches well?

 

there are a few select tires that most use due to thier 'stretchablilty'

I dont remember any of them offhand however.

You are correct for your first question. Those are stretched tires.

Criteria is a wider rim than tire, with probably a LOW offset rim to poke, BUT it also still needs to handle the load, so load rating needs to be taken into account

ive also PM'd you a much better website to visit than this one

 

If you use a tire that is outside the recommendations for the size of wheel you are using, you run the risk of the bead of the tire separating from the rim under lateral load... Both of the photos you provided are WAY out of spec for the size of the rim...

Just sayin'...

 

I think it is all about looks for the folks that stretch skinny tires onto wide wheels. Not my cup o tea, but as they say different strokes.

Keyser-I think you are correct, in high G cornering you could pop a bead.

 

The chance of you popping a bead is very small unless you have too little pressure in the tire. Try the Falken 512's sold by Discount Tire Direct if you want good stretch.

 

Ehh not only does it look silly, doesn't seem very safe. Hard cornering and a small bump could easily do damage.

 

Toyo performance tires stretch well. T1-S, TR1

 

Well, I never had stretched tires before. It's just that now with my Mini, it is more a 'look car' than a performance car (I have another car for that). The reason I want a bit of stretch is because I want a wheel with a lip, and I think it's the only way it will fit (16X9).

The tire that seems to be popular is the Falken 512, but in 16" they don't make a 215-45-16. They make a 215-40-16 which is not as tall, and will require me to lower the car even more to get rid of the wheel gap.

Is there a tires that stretches well, and is available in 215-45-16.

Thanks.

 

Drifters use tire stretch all the time. I doubt you are going to work your tires as hard as they do. As for how it looks, it's just an opinion. And looks certainly don't determine safety.

We've had our Clubman on stretched tires for well over a year now. It's my wife's DD & has seen regular commuting duty, road trips to the Dragon & elsewhere and even the occasional trip around the track. Don't let preconceived notions cloud your judgement.

 

Fitting 16x9 all the way around is going to be very tough. You'll need to plan your fitment very carefully. You're on the wrong forum for advice in this area though.

 

I loled at the "Rim Protector" on the rubber.

 

I PMd him the proper site lol

 

Fuzion zri they stretch pretty good.

the difference in the two pictures that show different stretches is that one could be that one rim is wider than the other or their using smaller tires that the other.

 

Tell that to drift car drivers or many of the time attack cars over in Japan. It handles high speed corners on tracks fine. It stiffens your sidewall and thus makes the car break loose a little earlier....but you're not gonna pop a bead from G cornering.

The only time you pop a bead is with low pressures, which is true of ALL tires. It's ALWAYS a good idea to keep your eye on your pressures.

OP, if you're fitting 16x9's....you want 215/45/16 Falken 512's. Just trust me on this one. I've worked with nearly all the MINI owners running 9's on their cars to help them with their stance, fitment, and clearances and have a pretty good idea of what it will take. You'll want that shorter overall circumference in the end, and the additional clearance that 512's gives is key. A 215 wide Falken 512 is like running a 185 or 195 in normal tires.

I'm sorry...I just found this post funny

 

Typo? Do you mean 215-40? The only 215-45 I find on the Falken site is a RT615K track tire.

You say I'll need all the clearance possible, and using a smaller diameter will help. May be for a show car that is slammed that might be true, but for a daily driver that still needs to be streetable, a moderate drop (2") on a OE diameter (24") will close the wheel gap and will look good, no? And since the car is not slammed, chances of rubbing are reduced... in theory (my untested theory)

 

Hey, it's doing the best it can!

 

I would submit that if you are worried about having to go lower to make this fitment work then it may be too aggressive for you.

16x9 on a mini is a fitment you that have to be totally dedicated to if you want it to work.

 

Ooops, yah total typo.

215/40/16
I just think it's silly to do the whole wide wheel, stretched tire thing and then run a moderate drop. Looks odd IMO.

 

Ok well glad it works for you and you rock it, just not for me I guess.

I guess this is where I just slowly back out of this thread for fear of further embarrassment. I am leaving and will twist the handle as it slowly latches so that nobody notices my not knowing I guess all of my previous life experience with tires was on trucks and the oversizeing of a tire way out of specs of the manufacturer to fit a wheel. Airing down for more traction coupled with much softer and larger sidewalls is much more dangerous than this practice. Thanks for the lesson..now back to your regularly scheduled stretched tire program.

One last question as I depart. Isn't this bad for the sidewall to not take the load in a vertical direction, but more outward towards the bead? And I guess I see not how it could be similar or better with the pressure not only pressing down but some force redistibuted outwards and the area of the bead being smaller in contact the force would be greater at the contact point. Right?

 

Do you mean that with a moderate drop (2") it's not necessary to run stretched tires? What I really want is be able to run wide wheels with a lip (I'm a bit old school, and used to have Cragar SS on my muscle cars back then). Stretch or no stretch, I don't care, I just want a wheel with a lip that fit under the car. I was going to buy a set of Brock B2 that have 30mm offset. If 225 fit with that drop and offset, I'll be more than happy (more rubber on the ground).

 

Then you don't want something as wide as a 9" wheel. That's going to require a very carefully chosen offset, sidewall stretch, plenty of camber & probably some clearancing of the fenders. It's also not going to fit under the car as you want at that width. Just ask user Cuda Kine.

I've been running Brock B2's for the last couple of years. My first set is 16x7.5 & the second is 17x8.5. You should check out the threads on m|u if you are seriously considering doing this.

 

No I just think that running wide wheels and stretched tires is all about having tight, perfected fitment. Along with that comes a more extreme lowered ride height.

I've seen people attempt wide wheels and stretch with moderate drops and it just looks goofy. If you want moderate drop for a daily driver, I'd also suggest a moderate stance to accompany it. Maybe some 7.5's or 8's.

 

I just did some measurements this morning, and it seems that 16x9 et30 will clear the trailing arm by 1/4". The problem will be the arches and the lining. I'm ready to trim the arches and work the lining with a heat gun if necessary.

This summer (with stock suspension) I was running a set of wheels from my E30: 16X7, 225-45-16, et20! . Of course with a 2" wheel gap it looked funny, but with two adult in the car it was not rubbing. With a 3rd person, it was rubbing over big bumps. So, my rear arches and lining are pretty worn right now, at least I see where the rubbing is.

I did some reading on mu. Lots of people with aggressive setups, that look terrific btw. 16X9 et25 and slammed!
I now know that the wheels will fit, it's just the tires that I'm not sure. I think when I will receive the wheels, I will unmount a tire from my E30 rims, and try it on a wheel with the spring removed to see if it clears when the suspension moves.

I've seen a guy at the track this summer who was running 235 R-compound on his R53. He was rubbing like mad, up to a point where he unsnapped a rear flare, but the car was glued to the ground and very fast!

 

I agree with you that a moderate drop and stretched might look goofy because the wheel/tire needs to be very close to the edge of the fender for a nice stance. But, if we forget the stretch thing, and I mount a straight tire on a wide wheel, if I have a moderate drop, it won't look funny, I don't think. I think of a E46 M3, or a E36 MCoupe that have wide wheel and tires, but almost no drop. Umm, I think I see the answer coming... they DO have wide fenders, not the Mini...