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Old Jan 24, 2007 | 10:10 AM
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What coilover doesnt do that though? I think that's goaljnky's point. All coilovers are meant for the street and track....and all of their manufacturer will tell you that. So these appeal to the same drivers that other coilovers appeal to.

Actually no . There are track designated coil over systems , Moton, Ohlins
Leda etc . There are street systems such as Vogtland , Kw V1 etc. I have had KW's and two styles of Leda and I know the differance. We are trying to bridge the gap between the two. In any event I want to thank you all for such a lively discussion, it has really kept the thread going and the phones ringing.

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Old Jan 24, 2007 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by maxmini
Actually no . There are track designated coil over systems , Moton, Ohlins
Leda etc . There are street systems such as Vogtland , Kw V1 etc. I have had KW's and two styles of Leda and I know the differance. We are trying to bridge the gap between the two. In any event I want to thank you all for such a lively discussion, it has really kept the thread going and the phones ringing.

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We have 5-sets on order, all with H-Sport Camber plates.
 
Old Jan 24, 2007 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by goaljnky
Well, as an opinion it is grossly overstated. First of, you would need to define what constitutes a "wide range of drivers". That would require some sort of a scientific poll based on a wide cross section of Mini owners and I don't think any one is conducting one any time soon. Or one could support such a statement based on sales figures. But, since none have been sold yet, that would be impossible to do. And even if M7 did sell 500, or so units, does it really qualify as a "wide range of drivers" given 176,623 Minis sold? So most likely you meant to say that it appeals to you and maybe some people you know, or have spoken to. There is no way you can say with absolute certainty that "it appeals to wide range of mini drivers".

I can't believe you guys are tearing into him this much. Think about what you posted - since when has an opinion posted on the internet required a scientific poll to back it up

I think the M7 coilover "looks" like a nice setup. I think it's nice that the rear shocks adjust from the bottom.

ooops, I don't have any data to support my opinion, hope you don't tear me a new one
 
Old Jan 24, 2007 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by maxmini
Actually no . There are track designated coil over systems , Moton, Ohlins
Leda etc . There are street systems such as Vogtland , Kw V1 etc. I have had KW's and two styles of Leda and I know the differance. We are trying to bridge the gap between the two. In any event I want to thank you all for such a lively discussion, it has really kept the thread going and the phones ringing.

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I think these coilovers (the M7) could blow everything right out of the water for those whom were looking to buy a product that ony gave them one option of usability, either race track and or street but not both.

But then again, that's just my opinion.
 
Old Jan 24, 2007 | 10:37 AM
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looks like somebody has to much time on their hands.

that is my personal opinion.
 
Old Jan 24, 2007 | 11:36 AM
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I see. So we are now gonna throw out opinions just because we have them? That is a slippery slope. I am sure everyone is aware of the old saying about opinions and how everybody has one. :impatient As usual, anything that doesn't come with a flowery endorsement of an untested product from a vendor with a long history of unsupported claims is immediately mocked and dismissed. Well, I think these things will go over like a fart in church with a success about equal as experienced by the Megan folks. And this is my opinion.

Edit: you all feel free to experiment with the ignore feature in your control panel. It's a great opinion editor.
 
Old Jan 24, 2007 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by goaljnky
I see. So we are now gonna throw out opinions just because we have them? That is a slippery slope. I am sure everyone is aware of the old saying about opinions and how everybody has one. :impatient As usual, anything that doesn't come with a flowery endorsement of an untested product from a vendor with a long history of unsupported claims is immediately mocked and dismissed. Well, I think these things will go over like a fart in church with a success about equal as experienced by the Megan folks. And this is my opinion.

Edit: you all feel free to experiment with the ignore feature in your control panel. It's a great opinion editor.
In my opinion, it sounds like you just want to crap on the thread from this vendor because you're still pouting about your USS. You need to move on, what's done is done.
 
Old Jan 24, 2007 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by blissfull
I think these coilovers (the M7) could blow everything right out of the water for those whom were looking to buy a product that ony gave them one option of usability, either race track and or street but not both.

But then again, that's just my opinion.
Interesting opinion... There are LOTS of choices out there that will do both... That's JMHO...
 
Old Jan 24, 2007 | 12:05 PM
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Agreed - we have solutions for street and track, but I think coilovers are generally a bit too much cost for what most folks are trying to do, especially considering the great stock rates of compression and rebound.

They look cool though Peter!

About tht five years in the business with M7 though...
 
Old Jan 24, 2007 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by blissfull
I think these coilovers (the M7) could blow everything right out of the water for those whom were looking to buy a product that ony gave them one option of usability, either race track and or street but not both.

But then again, that's just my opinion.
I'm with Texas Speedwerks on that!
 
Old Jan 24, 2007 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by PARTSMAN
In my opinion, it sounds like you just want to crap on the thread from this vendor because you're still pouting about your USS. You need to move on, what's done is done.
Apparently everyone is entitled to an opinion. And if it is your choice to move on after taking in it in the ****, that is your choice. I choose to voice my opinion. As apparently everyone is allowed to do. And if you think it's about the USS than you can add the strut bar that would not fit and the splitter that I had to buy extra mounting parts for to the list.

As said earlier, if you find my opinion objectionable, ignore list is just for you.
 
Old Jan 24, 2007 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by txwerks
Interesting opinion... There are LOTS of choices out there that will do both... That's JMHO...
Originally Posted by RandyBMC
Agreed - we have solutions for street and track, but I think coilovers are generally a bit too much cost for what most folks are trying to do, especially considering the great stock rates of compression and rebound.

They look cool though Peter!

About tht five years in the business with M7 though...
While this may be true, I think it is in poor taste to post/discuss it another vendor's thread. Although, I wouldn't expect anything less from you guys.
 
Old Jan 24, 2007 | 12:21 PM
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It this was intended to be a vendor thread, than it should have been posted in the vendor forum. As it is in an open forum it is open for discussion. Unless of course not "all" opinions are welcomed.
 
Old Jan 24, 2007 | 12:24 PM
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back on topic!

Originally Posted by Patagonian GT
any dyno plots?
 
Old Jan 24, 2007 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Patagonian GT
back on topic!
Absolutely. I will even quote myself as this is yet to be answered:

Originally Posted by Goaljnky
I am curious as to what is involved it track testing? Did you guys test the car before and after the coil overs are installed? Do you test it on different tracks, or different cars? How many test hours does something like this take? I am just interested purely in a "scientific" aspect of it. For example, I have seen products like mattresses where they will have a machine simulate a life time of use in a short span. Is the same approach applied to car parts?
 
Old Jan 24, 2007 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by goaljnky
It this was intended to be a vendor thread, than it should have been posted in the vendor forum. As it is in an open forum it is open for discussion. Unless of course not "all" opinions are welcomed.
You are correct, it is in an open forum. But, for other vendors to post here and remind us that there are alternatives to the product that the thread was started on, is in poor taste. Have a little respect.
 
Old Jan 24, 2007 | 01:04 PM
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The two sets we have in use at this time are the final version which have been sent to us for a last personal evaluation before we signed off on the first production run. The Mfg conducted their own tests both track and street as these were developed. Many of the components in these coilovers have been previously used in their other products for a number of years and in a large number of other vehicles. Our goal here was to combine some of their track capabilities while making them " street able " as well. So far it appears as if we have done that but it will be up to those that have already ordered them to confirm what I have already discovered.

As for dyno plots as you can tell by the lack of other vendors posting such info that information is somewhat proprietary in nature. With the variations which will be available in valving, spring rates and such those plots would be confusing for the entry level market we are hitting with a less that $1500 price point. If you have a particular specification performance / plot wise let us know and we have the capabilities to create something special just for you at a higher price of course Again I want to thank all our brother vendors and site members here for the support and exposure

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Old Jan 24, 2007 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by PARTSMAN
You are correct, it is in an open forum. But, for other vendors to post here and remind us that there are alternatives to the product that the thread was started on, is in poor taste. Have a little respect.
In all fairness the other vendors didnt chime in until someone made the statement which implied that this was the first set to bridge the gap between street and track....which isn't true. H&R, KW, Leda, and Eibach have all been used sucessfully on the track and street. These may be really good for the track and street...but other vendors wanted to let other people know that other options are available for track/street drivers.

With that said...I'm gonna be interested to see how the rears perform without height adjustments. It's too bad these came out after i got my set

Also, Randy, since coilovers are definitely wear items...how long will these be tested before going out to the public? I know that despite Pilo's "testing" the megans were clearly released too early to the public. Do you plan on putting large amounts of miles on these before releasing? Or maybe machine testing as KW does? (maybe the manufacturer does that already?)
 
Old Jan 24, 2007 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RallyMINI
In all fairness the other vendors didnt chime in until someone made the statement which implied that this was the first set to bridge the gap between street and track....which isn't true. H&R, KW, Leda, and Eibach have all been used sucessfully on the track and street. These may be really good for the track and street...but other vendors wanted to let other people know that other options are available for track/street drivers.
If you are referring to Randy's post quoting you, he doesn't state that the M7 coilovers are the first to bridge the gap. He states that they are trying to bridge the gap between street and track.
 
Old Jan 24, 2007 | 01:25 PM
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If you are referring to Randy's post quoting you, he doesn't state that the M7 coilovers are the first to bridge the gap. He states that they are trying to bridge the gap between street and track.
nah...the other guy with the huge sig picture of minisport's car...blissfull
 
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As for dyno plots as you can tell by the lack of other vendors posting such info that information is somewhat proprietary in nature.
all due respect, most plots are not kept as proprietary. I've been able to collect quite a few for comparison.
 
Old Jan 24, 2007 | 01:29 PM
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nah...the other guy with the huge sig picture of minisport's car...blissfull
I must have missed that one, sorry man.
 
Old Jan 24, 2007 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by RallyMINI
In all fairness the other vendors didnt chime in until someone made the statement which implied that this was the first set to bridge the gap between street and track....which isn't true. H&R, KW, Leda, and Eibach have all been used sucessfully on the track and street. These may be really good for the track and street...but other vendors wanted to let other people know that other options are available for track/street drivers.

With that said...I'm gonna be interested to see how the rears perform without height adjustments. It's too bad these came out after i got my set

Also, Randy, since coilovers are definitely wear items...how long will these be tested before going out to the public? I know that despite Pilo's "testing" the megans were clearly released too early to the public. Do you plan on putting large amounts of miles on these before releasing? Or maybe machine testing as KW does? (maybe the manufacturer does that already?)
I have no issue with other vendors admitting they are keeping tabs on us. Shows that they know who to watch

There are other shocks that have tried to bridge the gap, yes , but at less than $1500 I do not think anyone has done it successfully. Based on my personal knowledge your comment on the different shocks that have been used " successfully " on the street is in error. Which ones have you personally used by the way ? I'm just curious as to your real time experiences regarding those Mfgs.

As for no height adjustment in the rears , I can lower my car till it rests on the tires , how much lower do you want to go ? LOL

The components in these shocks have already undergone many years / miles of testing in previous configurations . We feel that those same components will do just as well in our Mini shock. If these do not maintain their performance as good or better than any of our competition we will of course adhere to industry standards do what is required.

Again thanks to all for keeping this thread alive I'm thinking of sending everyone a thank you M7 sticker

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Old Jan 24, 2007 | 01:42 PM
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all due respect, most plots are not kept as proprietary. I've been able to collect quite a few for comparison.
No problem , I just have not seen many posted in the Mini world or asked for actually. When we get the all the final configurations set I will see if I can get something for you from the Mfg. We are not doing the dyno work ourselves.

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Old Jan 24, 2007 | 02:13 PM
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As for no height adjustment in the rears , I can lower my car till it rests on the tires , how much lower do you want to go ? LOL

The components in these shocks have already undergone many years / miles of testing in previous configurations . We feel that those same components will do just as well in our Mini shock. If these do not maintain their performance as good or better than any of our competition we will of course adhere to industry standards do what is required.

hehehe i want a little more loweing than that....i use much smaller outer diameters on my wheel tire combos, and still like to tuck. But that's just me I more or less meant the adjustment method...someone said something about adjusting through the pre-load.

Thats what i figured about the testing , but was just curious. Just wanted to see how it worked out. The megans are used and have been used on many cars for years...but had problems with our shocks (not a problem you guys will have)

You know i have faith in you guys, randy. I always have. Convince me, and maybe I'll sell my current set
 



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