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Old Nov 21, 2006 | 05:04 PM
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There are quite a few NAM'ers that have springs in the mail... You should be hearing more very shortly!
 
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Old Nov 21, 2006 | 05:31 PM
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I'll be waiting patiently for their reviews, and if I have any money left after x-mas I'll definitely be looking to pick up a set of springs.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2006 | 06:31 PM
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I'll be waiting patiently for their reviews, and if I have any money left after x-mas I'll definitely be looking to pick up a set of springs.
Does it matter if we won't sell to USC fans?

Hook 'Em Horns!

Kidding, of course...
 
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Old Nov 22, 2006 | 09:46 AM
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Vince Young last year was killer. But at least the Trojans are back in the hunt again this year!

Fight On!
 
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Old Nov 22, 2006 | 11:29 AM
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A nice professional shot of our springs on the test vehicle - thanks to Edward Ramirez for the photo, and to agranger for the testing on his gorgeous MCS, Jango!

 
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Old Nov 22, 2006 | 01:12 PM
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Got to see Aaron's MINI this morning at breakfast...NICE!

Though of course I prefer my Texas Speedwerks Sport Suspension.
 
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Old Nov 23, 2006 | 09:09 AM
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just ordered mine cant wait
 
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Old Nov 23, 2006 | 03:00 PM
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Either I didn't see it here nor on the web site, but I am curious what you do for bumpstops -- use the factory original or do the springs come with different bumpstops, ala HSport springs?

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Old Nov 24, 2006 | 08:06 AM
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We re-use the OEM's... We recommend trimming the bottom segment off, which will allow for extra travel and yet still protect the shock/strut. If you trim too much off, the coils will likely bind before you hit the modified OEM bumpstop.
 

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Old Nov 24, 2006 | 03:06 PM
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We re-use the OEM's... We recommend trimming the bottom segment off, although the coils will likely bind before you hit the OEM bumpstop.

Uhh?? Isn't coil bind a bad thing?
And why would the design allow that to occur before hitting the bump stops?
 
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Old Nov 24, 2006 | 03:13 PM
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Very good point.
 
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Old Nov 25, 2006 | 11:37 AM
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Uhh?? Isn't coil bind a bad thing?
And why would the design allow that to occur before hitting the bump stops?
We've never had them bottom out on the street. You will hit the bumpstop (trimming only the bottom segment) before the coils touch. We just tested the complete setup again on a shock dyno.

What I meant to say is that if you trim the bumpstops too much, the coils would bind before your hit the stops - my apologies for the misdirection.
 
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Old Nov 25, 2006 | 11:53 AM
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im still on the fence between these and the H-Sports i guess i need to pay agranger a visit and check out his car in person, my birthday is coming up and my MINI is getting new suspension for my birthday, i was thinking about the H-Sport Stage 1 kit with springs and bars but i might just get the TSW springs and the H-Sport sway bar.
 
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Old Nov 25, 2006 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by txwerks
We've never had them bottom out on the street. You will hit the bumpstop (trimming only the bottom segment) before the coils touch. We just tested the complete setup again on a shock dyno.

What I meant to say is that if you trim the bumpstops too much, the coils would bind before your hit the stops - my apologies for the misdirection.
Makes more sense, thanks.

Question on the car in the pic. Does it have front camber plates? The reason I ask is that I picked up a bit of front height after installing my Helix plates. I'd hate to end up with a car with flat rake or even inverted. For the handlling reasons meb mentioned and to maintain low pressure under the car by maintaining a rake with the nose lower I'd like to make sure things stayed nice.
 
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Old Nov 25, 2006 | 08:34 PM
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Aaron should confirm when he sees this but I believe the only mods on his car (other than appearance) are these springs and different brake pads - no camber plates. His car looks as awesome in person as it does in the photos and IMO the springs dropped it just enough.

FWIW, I have the M7 springs on my car and the rake is nearly flat so I won't go with the Helix plates and create a reverse rake. So, the Irelands, or the new H-sport plates are my only real choices unless I were to go with these springs, or coilovers.
 
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Old Nov 26, 2006 | 12:08 PM
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You could always add a rear spacer for some rake. This one may be a bit too much at .5" though... http://new.minimania.com/web/Item/NMS3010/InvDetail.cfm
 
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Old Nov 26, 2006 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by HAVNPHUN
You could always add a rear spacer for some rake. This one may be a bit too much at .5" though... http://new.minimania.com/web/Item/NMS3010/InvDetail.cfm
Thanks. I'd forgotten about those.

This might also be used as an excuse to get height adjutables
 
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Old Nov 26, 2006 | 06:22 PM
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Full confidence in Texas Speedwerks. I dunno who they are, but the explanations are very convincing. And hell, they are from TX.... Gotta love them Texas boys
 
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Old Nov 26, 2006 | 06:43 PM
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Sorry that I've missed this thread... I'll try and answer some questions:

I'm still loving the new springs. The handling of the rear-end became much more predictable and stable when I installed the rear swaybar. The front-end cleaned up noticeably under hard cornering with the TSW Springs. The are stiffer than the stock springs, but they catch the car sooner on larger bumps at speed, making for an overall smoother ride. The most noticeable change is felt with hard braking... the front end doesn't dive like it did w/ the stock springs.

I'm running upgraded brake pads, a beefier rear swaybar, a UMP front lower strut brace and a TSW engine damper along with my new springs. All of my other mods are cosmetic... No camber plates, nothing else that might effect the look or suspension setup.

If anyone in Dallas wants to check out the car in person, send me a PM and I'll be happy to see what I can do.
 
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Old Nov 26, 2006 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ScuderiaMini
Full confidence in Texas Speedwerks. I dunno who they are, but the explanations are very convincing. And hell, they are from TX.... Gotta love them Texas boys
Yeah, those Texas boys who sound convincing are the best. Always trust them. They will not steer you wrong.
 
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Old Nov 26, 2006 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by txwerks
1. Conservative drop - for those out there that do NOT want a 1-1.5" drop. Not everyone wants a huge drop, and in our experience with the MINI's suspension, anything more than a 1-1.2" drop is not optimal for handling. There is such a thing as too low. While testing our coilovers, we found that lower is NOT better. We had plenty of travel left, yet, the lap times actually increased. There is a happy medium. Also, the world is full of things that like to eat cars that are too low... And, not all aftermarket struts play well with lowering springs - case in point, the Koni FSD's, which are designed for not much drop.
This is one of the key reasons I went with TSW springs... I've got a fairly big step up into my garage and I didn't feel like renting a jack-hammer so I could re-pour the entry foundation. I wanted a slightly more agressive look, but it still had to be driveable. I also wanted them to play well with the stock suspension... I wasn't looking to drop a bunch of money into coilovers, new shocks, etc... I just wanted a fairly inexpensive way to better my handling and looks.

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2. Linear rates - why? Well, linear rates provide more predictable performance. It's been our experience in racing that linear springs are the way to go. The idea of a progressive spring is great, but IMHO, it leads to less predictability at the limit. The OEM MINI springs are linear for a reason - their engineers spent countless hours setting up the suspension. We've spent countless hours engineering and testing spring rates and designs... Linear is the best setup, bar none, for the MINI.
I'll trust the suspension gurus here... I can only say that I like 'em.

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3. Increase in spring rate over OEM - why? We've take 3/4" (average) of travel away, so we want a slightly higher spring rate to compensate for the loss in height. And, the OEM springs are NOT well matched to the OEM shocks/struts. In our testing, the OEM shocks/struts need a slightly higher spring rate - they have too much bound/rebound. Our springs match well with virtually any strut. They ride better with the OEM shocks/struts than any other spring on the market - period. We've been on all of them and they all have some disadvantage - we evened everything out, and ended up with a superior compromise in asthetics and performance.
My wife fell asleep in the passenger seat of the MINI for the first time after the install. These springs definately work well with the rest of the stock suspension.
 
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Old Nov 26, 2006 | 06:57 PM
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One more thing: I've been driving on these for a few months and have NEVER bottomed out the suspension.

I drove a rally a few weeks ago that took us down what I can easily say was the single worst road I've ever driven on. The road was so bad that the local county had posted signs saying "County Maintenance of the road ends here" and "County Maintenance of the road begins here", so that people would stop calling 'em to come out and fix the road... I was driving at 10-15 MPH and steering AROUND the bigger holes... hitting all of the small ones, though. I never once bottomed out.
 
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Old Nov 26, 2006 | 06:57 PM
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Yeah, those Texas boys who sound convincing are the best. Always trust them. They will not steer you wrong.

are you still alive? Been away for sometimes, totally forgot about you. How can you be so negative and still live with yourself?

 
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Old Nov 26, 2006 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ScuderiaMini
are you still alive? Been away for sometimes, totally forgot about you. How can you be so negative and still live with yourself?

I'm heavily medicated.
 
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Old Nov 26, 2006 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by XAlfa
I'm heavily medicated.
what a suprise
 
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