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Old May 29, 2011 | 02:31 PM
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Rear motion ratio?

I spent some time searching NAM and couldn't find an answer to my question... Google search reveals a thread on motoringunderground, stating the R53 has a rear motion ratio of .87:1.

Has anyone verified this calculation on the R56?
 
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Old May 29, 2011 | 03:44 PM
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Go to MINIUSA.com, select LEARN ==> COLOR, FEATURES & SPECS. Select a model, then click on PRICING & FULL FEATURES LIST. Scroll down to Transmission and it lists all the gear ratios.
 
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Originally Posted by rkw
Go to MINIUSA.com, select LEARN ==> COLOR, FEATURES & SPECS. Select a model, then click on PRICING & FULL FEATURES LIST. Scroll down to Transmission and it lists all the gear ratios.
Huh?
 
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Old May 29, 2011 | 06:35 PM
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If you followed my instructions, this is what you should see:

 
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Old May 29, 2011 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesL_71
Google search reveals a thread on motoringunderground, stating the R53 has a rear motion ratio of .87:1.
BTW, that number doesn't make sense to me.

I Googled, and this site lists 3.81 for an R53: http://www.vehix.com/car-reviews/200...specifications
 
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Old May 29, 2011 | 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesL_71
I spent some time searching NAM and couldn't find an answer to my question... Google search reveals a thread on motoringunderground, stating the R53 has a rear motion ratio of .87:1.

Has anyone verified this calculation on the R56?
At least we can find a definition of "motion ratio" so as not to be confused by other things like gear ratios.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_ratio
The motion ratio of a mechanism is the ratio of the displacement of the point of interest to that of another point.

The most common example is in a vehicle's suspension, where it is used to describe the displacement and forces in the springs and shock absorbers. The force in the spring is (roughly) the vertical force at the contact patch divided by the motion ratio, and the wheel rate is the spring rate divided by the motion ratio squared.
 
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Old May 29, 2011 | 08:48 PM
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OK, my bad. I confused it with gear ratio.
 
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Old May 30, 2011 | 08:19 AM
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James,

The motion ratio is obviously very close to 1:1 due to the supension design. This is usually only an issue with rocker or bellcrank suspensions where the ratios can be 2:1, etc.

If you are trying to calculate extremely precise wheel rates, I think using .9 for your MR will be very close.

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Old May 30, 2011 | 05:44 PM
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James,

The motion ratio is obviously very close to 1:1 due to the supension design. This is usually only an issue with rocker or bellcrank suspensions where the ratios can be 2:1, etc.

If you are trying to calculate extremely precise wheel rates, I think using .9 for your MR will be very close.

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Based on the placement of the lower damper mount, on the back-side of the suspension knuckle, it does indeed make sense that the ratio is higher... closer to 1:1...

I am indeed trying to calculate wheel rates and natural frequencies. I collected measurements myself on a previous track car, which verified commonly accepted ratios for that chassis. I was hoping someone had done the dirty work for me on the R56
 
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Old May 30, 2011 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by unibus_driver
At least we can find a definition of "motion ratio" so as not to be confused by other things like gear ratios.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_ratio
Originally Posted by rkw
OK, my bad. I confused it with gear ratio.
I apologize for not being more forthcoming in the original post... yes I was referring to motion/lever-arm ratios in regards to the suspension... not gear ratios... hence the post in being in Suspension subforum.
 
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Old Jun 1, 2011 | 07:50 AM
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The Mini suspension world is not quite as advanced as you might think, which is a shame for such a great platform. It would be great if you posted your results for what spring rates you end up with for your chosen natural frequencies.

I did jot down in my notes .875 for the R53, but as with anything you read on the internet, it's worth double checking. It's easy enough to measure yourself, too. I don't know if I measured that myself or saw it posted somewhere....I did not need to get too advanced with my suspension design in the end.

- Andrew
 
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Old Jun 2, 2011 | 09:25 PM
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Was still working on obtaining the rear motion ratio of the R55.
However; need to get off my lazy but and properly measure and reference it.

- Erik
 
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