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Old Feb 15, 2008 | 11:16 PM
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Coilover Question

Hey everyone,

So, like many others, I'm new to suspension modifications. I want to drop my car, but would like to be able to adjust ride height if necessary (the reason coilover's would be of use). I plan to use my car as a daily driver (with occasional track day use). Since I would like to make the most economical purchase, would coilovers such as the one's H&R makes be suitable for my needs? Without compression/rebound settings, would the H&R's have a good ride (compared to stock). My main dilemma is: yes, saving money is important; however, i would much rather save up and spend 1500 or even 2000 dollars on a system I would be happy with, than spend $1000 on a system I would regret purchasing later. I think someone on the forum is selling bilstein pss9 coilovers for 1600 dollars. How would you guys compare these to the cross, m7, and H&R coilovers? Thanks and any input would be appreciated.

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Old Feb 16, 2008 | 07:23 AM
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I'm still trying to decide on which coilovers myself. I'm also considering KW Varients, either V1 or V2's.

Looking forward to replies.
 
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Old Feb 16, 2008 | 08:16 AM
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I am hoping that the BC Racing BR series coilovers are available soon for the 2007 models. I saw them at importimageonline.com and there is a write up about them at http://www.motoringfun.com/2007/06/1...-uss/#more-336

I wrote to a couple vendors selling these coilovers and the word is that the 2007 and later version is under development. These seem to offer by far the most for the money, only have a one year warranty, but are rebuildable. I support price competition and good products so I will buy them if they become available shortly.
 
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Old Feb 16, 2008 | 08:39 AM
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Nice video. I wanna do that
 
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Old Feb 17, 2008 | 08:02 AM
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i love my M7 coilovers!!!
 
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Old Feb 17, 2008 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by minipete07
i love my M7 coilovers!!!
Me too! Have had them on for over 20,000 miles w/ no issues at all.

Nik
 
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Old Feb 19, 2008 | 04:40 PM
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I'm going to be completely honest. There arent that many coilovers on the market that compares to the Cross coilovers.

First off coilovers such as H&R and Bilstein though are decent systems, loses shock travel as you lower it and so I have bottomed out on the suspension several times. Also depending on how much you want to lower them I have heard of them blowing too. The H&R and Bilstein both have monotube design coilovers but they are the higher end coilovers

And then there are the BC and Megan which doesnt lose shock travel when lowered because they have an adjustable lower bracket, but then they are twin tube in design which no matter what the manufacturer says they cannot be revalved. When you send them in they are replaced with new shocks. And overall a worse design than monotube design coilovers. That is why if you ever look at high quality coilovers they are all monotube, they have a wider range of adjustability, and also can be rebuilt to the specs that users usually want.

With the cross they are not only monotube but they also have an adjustable bottom bracket. If I were you, I would save my money and get the Cross setup. I run them on my car now and feels comfortable and when I take them to the track, They are destruction.

HAHA

anyway I hope this helps.

By the way i got mine from Mini-madness. They have pretty decent deals on them.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2008 | 06:47 PM
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Ya, I kind of figured Cross were the best coilovers. I must admit spending $2300 for new coilovers on a new $34k car is a little hard for me though.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2008 | 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ninjlao
First off coilovers such as H&R and Bilstein though are decent systems, loses shock travel as you lower it.
Hi,
I need some help here. I can't work out how to 'read' which coils loses travel as it gets lowered. From what i can see, all coils have the adjustable spring seats, which shortens suspension travel when lowered.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2008 | 10:55 PM
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I would recommand you to use KW v1 or V2.

I fitted KW V3 on my ride, that's perfect for daily use and track to me.

V3's price is alittle bit higher, and V2 should be good enough for you.

cos Taiwan' KW dealer only got V1 and V3 these two options, and that's why

I go for V3.

Further, BC is an another good choice, if you considering about the price.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2008 | 10:56 PM
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Just save up and get the cross coilovers! Thy cost more but also come with the adjustable camber plates.
Danielo, it's not just the loss of travel in the suspension. When you lower a stock shock you change the position of the dampening rod inside the shock and therefor the valving changes. The cross set up allows the shock to be fully extended even though the car is lowered. with just lowering springs you are compressing the shock.
 
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 12:11 AM
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if you look at the bottom portion of the shock that is what adjusts the height of the coilover suspension
 
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 08:09 PM
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Got it! Thanks.
 
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Old Mar 1, 2008 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ninjlao

And then there are the BC and Megan which doesnt lose shock travel when lowered because they have an adjustable lower bracket, but then they are twin tube in design which no matter what the manufacturer says they cannot be revalved. When you send them in they are replaced with new shocks. And overall a worse design than monotube design coilovers. That is why if you ever look at high quality coilovers they are all monotube, they have a wider range of adjustability, and also can be rebuilt to the specs that users usually want.

The BC setup is of a mono tube design. Also the BC BR series and the current megan coils are different in themselves. The megan's are a great bang for the buck, but the BC's do take it to the next level as far as construction and overall performance.
 
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Old Mar 1, 2008 | 08:09 PM
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What's the 'BC'?
 
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by danielo
What's the 'BC'?
BC racing is a company that provides coilovers for the MINI

BC racing makes the Megan coilovers.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 08:09 AM
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Ok, I'll google that.
 
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 07:45 PM
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I too would love to hear from anyone who has experience with the H&R Street coilovers. I only want to drop the car an inch or less in the front and a bit more in the back...does anyone else feel like the back is a bit too high?

I doubt I'll ever track the car so a reasonable ride is important. I don't think the KW V1's are available for an R56...so I think my only choice are the H&R's.

Thnx,
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 07:51 PM
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Mini Madness shows KW V1's under their R56 section.

Wouldn't mind hearing from someone that has KW's.
 
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by GP2002

I doubt I'll ever track the car so a reasonable ride is important. I don't think the KW V1's are available for an R56...so I think my only choice are the H&R's.
No....KW offers all their coilovers for the r56 as well. It's listed on their website And i know of atleast one person who has them installed on their r56
 
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 08:09 PM
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I have the KW V1's on my R56 and I love them. They are not the dampening adjustable but then again I only plan on going to the track occasionally. Only problem I had was my stock 17 inch web spokes would hit the front coilovers so I was not allowed to lower them without the use of a 8mm spacer. If you have any questions, pm me.
 
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 08:23 PM
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Seems odd that the stock wheels would hit the coilovers, are they thicker the the stock shocks, or is it just because of the negative camber from lowering?
 
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by th3118
Seems odd that the stock wheels would hit the coilovers, are they thicker the the stock shocks, or is it just because of the negative camber from lowering?
The shocks were not much thicker, the wheels were hitting the adjustable perches.
 
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Vincent.
The shocks were not much thicker, the wheels were hitting the adjustable perches.
The KW's have had this issue sice 02. I had one of the first sets on my R-53 . I had to eleminate the secondary " helper " spring and then move the adjuster collar up to clear my wheels. The thought of using spacers just doesn't sit well with me , maby if they are 2 or 3 mmm but after that I would find another solution.

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