Is your car stalling upon starting?
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#28
You don't get it - it's not a 'problem' - to them at least. Every dealer response has been - nothing we can do...and they are right. The issue is with the latest version of the ECU software. All we can do is wait for the next revision - that will probablybe for some other issue in the first place - and HOPE this will be addressed.
#30
Mine has done it as long as I've owned it. I can deal with the stall while sitting still. I do NOT find it at all acceptable or safe however, that when I try to enter on to my busy arterial street coming out of my neighborhood in the morning, I nearly get rear ended from the on coming traffic as my car bucks and stumbles and misses.
Not cool. Not for a new, modern car. No excuses.
Also... I don't find it acceptable that my car does not always have a stable idle. It even rumbles and misses on random occasions while sitting at traffic lights in the middle of a driving day.
Not cool. Not for a new, modern car. No excuses.
Also... I don't find it acceptable that my car does not always have a stable idle. It even rumbles and misses on random occasions while sitting at traffic lights in the middle of a driving day.
#31
1st 2003 Cooper - Car would shudder upon starting, sometimes stall, usually would eventually level out. Lights would come on during the "shudder'. Told dealer about the issue. They looked at me like I was insane and told me they "could not replicate the issue."
2nd 2003 Cooper (1st was totaled) - Ditto. Car shudders and stalls. Stalls MUCH more than the previous one. Hasn't been updated with current software.
Nothing new to add, I'm just adding myself to the list.
2nd 2003 Cooper (1st was totaled) - Ditto. Car shudders and stalls. Stalls MUCH more than the previous one. Hasn't been updated with current software.
Nothing new to add, I'm just adding myself to the list.
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I think my MCSa has a similar issue that you have mentioned. Its a rural pain to start. Mostly from a cold start and many times from a warm one. I took my car to be tinted and it sat for 2 hours and when they went to move it they thought there was a problem as the started ran and ran to turn over the engine. The only thing I find that helps (sometimes) is to turn the key to position 2 for 1-2second (prime fuel pump) and then turn it over.
#33
Originally Posted by LouiefromStLou
So why do some do it & some not My 05 MC Cabrio sat for 2 weeks while I was on vacation & it started without a hitch.
Lois
Lois
Seriously though, this is a toughie...
'05 MCS with 5k since January, with no strange starts. I'm in Chicago.
#34
This really sucks
When is MINIUSA going to provide us with a software fix that doesn't require a new update every 6 months (When the gas formulation changes)?
Firmware version 36 was decent so far. The latest build with "Emissions fixes" (Version 39) has been nothing but problems in this regard.
When is MINIUSA going to provide us with a software fix that doesn't require a new update every 6 months (When the gas formulation changes)?
Firmware version 36 was decent so far. The latest build with "Emissions fixes" (Version 39) has been nothing but problems in this regard.
#35
I had the problem of the car stalling after starting in the winter. Then again I live in Chicago and it was usually when it was 20 degrees or below. So I would just give Lance some time in the morning and he acted just peachy.
I also had the problem of the rough idle, another Mini owner suggested I switch from hi-grade to mid-grade. After one tank I haven't had the rough idle problem.
Recently, I did have the stalling problem again. I don't drive to work anymore and so the car sits for up to a week at a time. I just think Lance was pissed that I forgot about him for a week. So, he gets a little more attention.
I also had the problem of the rough idle, another Mini owner suggested I switch from hi-grade to mid-grade. After one tank I haven't had the rough idle problem.
Recently, I did have the stalling problem again. I don't drive to work anymore and so the car sits for up to a week at a time. I just think Lance was pissed that I forgot about him for a week. So, he gets a little more attention.
#37
For what its worth, I have a 03' MCS built in 12/02. It only has 6,400 miles on it. I don't drive it very often, but when I do I usually put 200 miles at a time on it.
Remarkably, I've never had a starting problem with it. 99% of the time it will start and run on the first try. I don't drive it in the winter, so I start it at least every month, let it warm up, and drive it back and forth in the garage to lubricate the mechanicals.
When I do take it out, I'm easy with it until its throughly warmed up, and then drive it rather aggressively. It doesn't have any problems so far reving up through the gears to red line.
For what its worth. It does have the 210 JCW upgrade, and the new program didn't have any adverse affect on it so far.
Remarkably, I've never had a starting problem with it. 99% of the time it will start and run on the first try. I don't drive it in the winter, so I start it at least every month, let it warm up, and drive it back and forth in the garage to lubricate the mechanicals.
When I do take it out, I'm easy with it until its throughly warmed up, and then drive it rather aggressively. It doesn't have any problems so far reving up through the gears to red line.
For what its worth. It does have the 210 JCW upgrade, and the new program didn't have any adverse affect on it so far.
#38
Originally Posted by OmToast
I'm jumping up and down telling you that cold start is nothing -- really. Annoying -- but not a problem.
As far as problems go, this may not seem like much, OmToast -- but when I'm pulling out into traffic from my car's overnight curbside parking spot downtown, it is a problem.
Sometimes the stall doesn't happen until I've accelerated, and if a car rounds the corner behind me, it finds me stopped right in the middle of the road.
If you have a driveway, maybe you've got the space to work out the morning kinks. I don't, and I'm not thrilled with the idea of working out the kinks in the middle of morning rush traffic.
#39
#40
Originally Posted by JCW Driver
I do NOT find it at all acceptable or safe however, that when I try to enter on to my busy arterial street coming out of my neighborhood in the morning, I nearly get rear ended from the on coming traffic as my car bucks and stumbles and misses.
Not cool. Not for a new, modern car. No excuses.
Not cool. Not for a new, modern car. No excuses.
#41
A Problem...
Originally Posted by OmToast
I feel like the little kid in horror movies -- the one that nobody listens to, as they warn people of lurking evil dead things. I'm jumping up and down telling you that cold start is nothing -- really. Annoying -- but not a problem.
Would you allow the manufacturer to convince you that you can pay them $20K to $30K (I'm above that now) for a car that can't idle at start-up without practically or even actually stalling, and that THEY don't mind that YOU find it annoying?
#42
#44
COUGH
Originally Posted by kaelaria
I had posted that my MTH flash cured this for me - HOWEVER it just did it to me yesterday! The difference is - I had the AC on this time! When I have the AC off, it doesn't do it. But it actually stalled on me - TWICE yesterday during the first cold start. After the first time I let the fuel pump prime - no effect. It stalled again. The third time, I revved it up a few times and it idled normally. This was at the end of a tank of fuel, so nothing changed there. I had driven several days on this tank without problem. Bu the AC clutch loaded it down enough that it actually stalled - twice.
#45
count me in with : "we start it nice cause we start it twice" followed by an innitial stumble the first time you pull out.(june build 2002 MCS with version 38) it seemed to happen with the advent of "Summer gas" although last winter I followed someone's advice and turned key to position before cranking and waited for the DSC light to go off before actually turning motor over and that seemed to work well-however DOESN'T work now!
#46
In the past month, my '03 MCS has started doing this every morning. Crank and it won't catch. Crank again and it catches every time. It also runs a little rough at first as well. A couple years ago, I experienced similar behavior when I went on a trip in Maine in August, 2003. Back then, I had an earlier version of DME firmware (v.32 -vs- v.36) and different mods, etc. The one thing in common between the then and now is that, in Maine, I filled up with Sunoco fuel and my last tank was Sunoco (my commute is short so that tank may have lasted me most of the month). I can't imagine the brand of fuel making such a big difference, but I just filled up with Lukoil 93. I'll see if it has any effect.
BTW, I discovered that it doesn't matter how long I crank it, it won't start on the first try. But, it always starts on the second try. So, I have just gotten into the habit of cranking it very quickly, then turning the key back off, then starting the car. Fix yer cold start behavior, MINI!
BTW, I discovered that it doesn't matter how long I crank it, it won't start on the first try. But, it always starts on the second try. So, I have just gotten into the habit of cranking it very quickly, then turning the key back off, then starting the car. Fix yer cold start behavior, MINI!
#47
Might as well throw my name on this list too. All started around mid-May, when the summer blend was released.
Although I will now that it' s finally above 55 degrees (hell it's only June) the start-up issue hasn't been as noticible. Last week with rain wind and temps in the 40's the problem was much worse.
Obviously BMW is NOT a software company, but you'd think they would have a vendor who is.
Although I will now that it' s finally above 55 degrees (hell it's only June) the start-up issue hasn't been as noticible. Last week with rain wind and temps in the 40's the problem was much worse.
Obviously BMW is NOT a software company, but you'd think they would have a vendor who is.
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Me too!
All I get from the dealer is 'summer gas, please stop using premium and use mid grade'. done that it is still there. Not as bad. one local motorer has started using regular. In a MCS, that is terrible.
Not exactly what I want to do. Thanks MINI! You have disappointed me on this one.
I also got some crap about MINI would do a recall if it a genuine issue. My foot they will!
GMG
All I get from the dealer is 'summer gas, please stop using premium and use mid grade'. done that it is still there. Not as bad. one local motorer has started using regular. In a MCS, that is terrible.
Not exactly what I want to do. Thanks MINI! You have disappointed me on this one.
I also got some crap about MINI would do a recall if it a genuine issue. My foot they will!
GMG
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#50
Originally Posted by andy@ross-tech.com
In the past month, my '03 MCS has started doing this every morning. Crank and it won't catch. Crank again and it catches every time. It also runs a little rough at first as well. A couple years ago, I experienced similar behavior when I went on a trip in Maine in August, 2003. Back then, I had an earlier version of DME firmware (v.32 -vs- v.36) and different mods, etc. The one thing in common between the then and now is that, in Maine, I filled up with Sunoco fuel and my last tank was Sunoco (my commute is short so that tank may have lasted me most of the month). I can't imagine the brand of fuel making such a big difference, but I just filled up with Lukoil 93. I'll see if it has any effect.
BTW, I discovered that it doesn't matter how long I crank it, it won't start on the first try. But, it always starts on the second try. So, I have just gotten into the habit of cranking it very quickly, then turning the key back off, then starting the car. Fix yer cold start behavior, MINI!
BTW, I discovered that it doesn't matter how long I crank it, it won't start on the first try. But, it always starts on the second try. So, I have just gotten into the habit of cranking it very quickly, then turning the key back off, then starting the car. Fix yer cold start behavior, MINI!
I think your having a bit of a different problem then this thread is discussing. Your problem is cranking it over in the first place, most people in this thread are having problems with stumbling once the car is cranked over on cold start. And some of those people are having problems with their eventually stalling during that start at idle.