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Mini Cooper R R56 won’t start but crank.

Old Jan 24, 2021 | 09:26 AM
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Mini Cooper R R56 won’t start but crank.

Hello all,

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Happy to make my first post here I hope anyone can help me.

I have r56 Cooper S won’t start but crank without problème I can feel and see the engine hesitate I can see the gauge level up and enginewant to start but no real and concret start.
We connected ista D and no fault code..
only few battery management and tension too low but it’s not this my problème.

anyone know this ? Can be the high fuel pump problem ?

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Old Jan 25, 2021 | 08:12 AM
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Without an error code you have to do it the old way - check for spark and fuel.
 
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Old Feb 6, 2021 | 02:38 AM
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UPDATE
Today I take compression in all cylinder !! Result :
Cyl.1 - 85 PSI
Cyl.2 - 85 PSI
Cyl.3 - 67 PSI
Cyl.4 - 85 PSI

I lost compression in all cylinder..
 
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Old Feb 6, 2021 | 02:39 AM
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I checked Throttle is good I can sound it when I push gas pedal. I can see fuel in spark hole and smell it.

Car don't start with fluid starter too. Compression loosing can be head gasket ?

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Old Feb 6, 2021 | 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Valentin Bachellier
I checked Throttle is good I can sound it when I push gas pedal. I can see fuel in spark hole and smell it.

Car don't start with fluid starter too. Compression loosing can be head gasket ?

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Seems unlikely to me that a head gasket failure would cause loss of compression in all four cylinders. I wonder if your timing chain slipped/jumped a tooth. I would probably check timing as a next step. How was the car running prior to the no-start situation?
 
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Old Feb 6, 2021 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by yeticat99
Seems unlikely to me that a head gasket failure would cause loss of compression in all four cylinders. I wonder if your timing chain slipped/jumped a tooth. I would probably check timing as a next step. How was the car running prior to the no-start situation?
can be timing chain jump ?

before this I run good and I loose one day performance. Idle good but can’t rev. And finally can’t start.
 
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Old Feb 6, 2021 | 09:43 AM
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Being all 4 cylinders have low compression it does sound like a timing issue. Not impossible but highly unlikely the head gasket would let go in all cylinders at the same time unless like all the head bolts are loose. I do find it suspicious that 3 out of 4 cylinders are all 85 psi. Personally if I were doing the compression check I would have to redoing the test. I would think I must have done something wrong to have those numbers.
 
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Old Feb 6, 2021 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Minifenrir
Being all 4 cylinders have low compression it does sound like a timing issue. Not impossible but highly unlikely the head gasket would let go in all cylinders at the same time unless like all the head bolts are loose. I do find it suspicious that 3 out of 4 cylinders are all 85 psi. Personally if I were doing the compression check I would have to redoing the test. I would think I must have done something wrong to have those numbers.
i wrote 85 psi but it’s maybe 5-10 psi range between.
for you can be timing chain jump ? Because I can see camshaft moving so i don’t think it’s complete failure.
 
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Old Feb 6, 2021 | 10:33 AM
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If the timing chain tensioner or the plastic guides failed you can definitely jump timing. Check out pelican parts, they have a bunch of how to articles.

https://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin...g1.htm%23item2
 
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Old Feb 6, 2021 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Minifenrir
If the timing chain tensioner or the plastic guides failed you can definitely jump timing. Check out pelican parts, they have a bunch of how to articles.

https://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin...g1.htm%23item2
next step it’s too remove valve cover for see ?
 
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Old Feb 8, 2021 | 12:34 AM
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or maybe test wet compression for know if rings are good.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2021 | 11:00 AM
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Little update. Today I saw my coolant level doWn.. possible to crank and loose coolant ?

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Old Feb 14, 2021 | 08:19 PM
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Check timing chain.
 
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Old Feb 16, 2021 | 09:07 AM
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dumb question, but still no codes?
Wouldn't timing throw a code? perhaps its crank or cam sensors sending incorrect information but this should send a code to.
But I would certainly check timing, its easy if you have the tools.
 
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Old Feb 16, 2021 | 12:33 PM
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Hello,

today removed camshaft cover for check timing and chain. All seems to be ok and new. I don’t think was old chain..

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Old Feb 16, 2021 | 04:24 PM
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I think one of your cam sprockets has slipped. The square sections of the cams (circled in red) should be parallel to each other. If you have access to cam timing tools, both cam locks should slip into place and be flat against the cylinder head surface within a few mm. Visually, they appear to be off by quite a bit.


 
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Old Feb 16, 2021 | 05:13 PM
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I agree it looks like the timing may have jumped, I noticed the writing on the camshafts is not lined up either. the one on the right is almost straight up and the left is rotated farther down.

The upper guide looks fairly new not dark brown. Was the timing chain and guides replaced recently?

 
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Old Feb 17, 2021 | 05:07 AM
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is that a sheared off valve cover bolt between cylinder 3 and 4 also? if it is, you need to get that out and replaced or you will never get a good seal on your valve cover also, and just lead to vacum problems.
 
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Old Mar 6, 2021 | 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by yeticat99
I think one of your cam sprockets has slipped. The square sections of the cams (circled in red) should be parallel to each other. If you have access to cam timing tools, both cam locks should slip into place and be flat against the cylinder head surface within a few mm. Visually, they appear to be off by quite a bit.

Wow yeahhhh I was not see...
oh my god.

irs a big problem ? This can explain was compression is low all cylinder.. and don’t start feel hesitate to start..

next step is too fix this or need to remove for check other problème ?
 
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Old Mar 6, 2021 | 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by tbmguy
I agree it looks like the timing may have jumped, I noticed the writing on the camshafts is not lined up either. the one on the right is almost straight up and the left is rotated farther down.

The upper guide looks fairly new not dark brown. Was the timing chain and guides replaced recently?
i can’t tell you if changed recently I don’t have his information. But yes looks like not old...
 
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Old Mar 12, 2021 | 11:56 AM
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If timing is off don't try to start it until you get the timing reset. Your engine is called an Interference engine, meaning that the pistons will impact the intake/exhaust valves if your timing is off far enough, and looks like yours is very close if not.
If you get the tool (can be found on ebay easy), get your timing re aligned. (can find instructions here, or pelicanparts website.),also with the valve cover off, and timing reset, manually turn the engine via the CRANK SHAFT bolt, (you will learn where this is doing the timing) and see if all valves actuate correctly, you will notice if they dont. (you'll need a buddy) Then run another compression test, if your still seeing it off, on one or more, you will need to do a more indepth examine of your valves. which requires you to remove the intake and exhaust manifolds.

Good luck.
Timing off that far is certainly not helping your car.
 
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