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Old Dec 10, 2004 | 07:14 AM
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38 or 39.2

I just came from getting my recall done at Flow of Winston-Salem and the service ticket says upgraded to version 38. I ask the service rep about it and told them I knew vers 39.2 was the most recent. Their response was only version 39.2 was for Cooper non S models. I think thats CRAP, and told them I'd look into it on my own. Please help fellow MINI guys and gals. I want the best for the lil guy!
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Old Dec 10, 2004 | 07:33 AM
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I just had my '04 S in for service and the recall. Checked my paperwork and is says ugraded to Version 39.2


Hope that helps,

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Old Dec 10, 2004 | 07:42 AM
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Here's a thread with 173 posts about version 39.2 installed on MCSs.

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=33326
 
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Old Dec 10, 2004 | 08:10 AM
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That's IS crap. They need to update their GT1 system. This also may mean that they pay little attention to their own link with the MINI Network so they could be ignorant about TSBs, recalls and such.

Make sure you follow-up with the Service Manager and, if needed, the General Manager.

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Old Dec 10, 2004 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by dominicminicoopers
Here's a thread with 173 posts about version 39.2 installed on MCSs.
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=33326
Read all of that this morning and knew I was right all along before going to dealer. That's why I made this post.

Thanks for the info.
 
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Old Dec 11, 2004 | 05:42 PM
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Went to a different dealer today and the upgraded my software to 39.2

I'm happy now but FLOW needs to get their machine upgraded.
 
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Old Dec 14, 2004 | 06:42 AM
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I had my recall done yesterday, and so far, can't tell any difference. Not
really expecting any improvement, but don't want new problems. Will
keep track of the mild stumble and gas mileage the next few tanks as it
adapts. I'll post again in a couple weeks with an update.
By the way, I have an MC, not an MCS.

One strange thing, though, ... last spring, when I had my software
upgraded to V37 (or so, my dealer doesn't tell version #'s even when
you ask) , the clock and trip odometer were reset (from battery disconnect
or from the reflash?). and this time, the clock and the trip odometer kept their settings.
I wonder if they're flashing the DME differently, now, (or maybe they didn't
do anything?).

Invoice simply says
A recall program dme tank leak
cause: 012880100 0055079 5f
(followed by a few lines of unimportant mostly blank stuff)
13177 recall m1 01 04 00 55 079 5 FRU completed recall m21 01 04 work
 
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Old Dec 14, 2004 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by cristo
{snip}...One strange thing, though, ... last spring, when I had my software upgraded to V37 (or so, my dealer doesn't tell version #'s even when you ask) , the clock and trip odometer were reset (from battery disconnect or from the reflash?). and this time, the clock and the trip odometer kept their settings. I wonder if they're flashing the DME differently, now, (or maybe they didn't do anything?).

Invoice simply says
A recall program dme tank leak
cause: 012880100 0055079 5f
(followed by a few lines of unimportant mostly blank stuff)
13177 recall m1 01 04 00 55 079 5 FRU completed recall m21 01 04 work
cristo -

A couple of things:

(1) It looks like you got the 39.2 update. I am basing that on the "recall program dme tank leak" phrase. "Tank leak" probably means the fuel vapor leakage problem that appears to go undetected by the pre-39.2 DME code. Would someone please verifiy this by referencing their recall notice to the recall code (m1 01 04 00 55 079 5)? I am at work right now.

(2) The clock and trip odometer should have been reset. This means that they did not do the battery disconnect or Test 21.0 software reset after they updated your ECU. YOU MUST DO THIS RESET TO GET THE MAXIMUM BENEFIT FROM THE 39.2 ECU UPDATE!

You can easily do the reset yourself. I prefer the Test 21.0 software reset myself; I believe this is the proper way to reset the ECU rather than disconnecting the battery. HERE is a link with instructions for performing the Test 21.0 software reset.

Cheers!

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Old Dec 14, 2004 | 05:59 PM
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Theo,

Thanks for the reply. However, before I jump into this, I'm not having any
problems, so I'm not sure there's an urgent need to reset the software yet.
Shouldn't the new software eventually adapt with continued driving, or
does it "stop learning" after a fixed period of time. If this is the case, then
should one reset the software each season to optimize it for changing
temperatures? I assume that when the car is driven in closed loop
mode (at warmed up temps, and not at WOT), that adjustments to the
software map (air/fuel, timing adjustments in response to O2 sensor data, etc.)
are made to fine tune things. It would be interesting to know how
this actually works, as there's been lots of conjecture about this but
little in the way of hard facts. Anybody got the straight dope on this?
 
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Old Dec 14, 2004 | 08:02 PM
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cristo --

A software reset loads the new maps that are distributed with the update, and your update relies on these new maps. Unless you do a software reset or disconnect the battery, the old maps (and adaptive adjustments) are retained in ECU memory; they remain thanks to a current that always is fed to the ECU by the battery.

The maps are the base and the adaptive adjustments modify the base. So, what you have now is an old map that has been adjusted via your previous "learning" period. No futher learning will modify your base enough to match the starting v.39.2 base. On the one hand, you may not encounter any problems at all but you may not be running on a map that is optimized for the current software version.

It's certainly your choice, but my preference would be to make sure the v.39.2 software is using the v.39.2 maps.

My two pence,

Theo
 
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Old Dec 15, 2004 | 04:38 AM
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Theo, thanks for the info...I'll probably reset it after the first tank or two,
and see how it goes. Cristo
 
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Old Dec 15, 2004 | 05:26 AM
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when resetting your computer does the miles to service reset too?



thanks

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Old Dec 15, 2004 | 08:58 AM
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No ! Absolutly not.


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Old Dec 15, 2004 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by atn57
when resetting your computer does the miles to service reset too?



thanks

ant
No, only the following are reset: time-of-day, trip odometer and, if you have the OBC, average speed and average consumption. I do not know if the reset procedure affects any of the "black box" DME data, however.

There is a separate procedure for resetting the service indicator. It should ony be used if your MINI dealer forgets to do this immediately after a scheduled service visit.

Cheers,

Theo
 
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