Help with terrible idle n14
Help with terrible idle n14
I’m completely stumped my mini is driving me nuts one thing after another. I’ve recently cleaned the valves and I installed new plugs ngk 1422 and new coils . It doesn’t break up while accelerating just at idle. and it goes away if I keep idle above 1k . Please I’m lost as too what it could be I’m not throwing any codes
Double check the intake manifold, sealing well. Also all connections you removed. My guess is an intake leak, but should have thrown a code. Maybe later in the drive cycle.
I am guessing this particular behavior did not exist before your work?
I am guessing this particular behavior did not exist before your work?
idle has been acting up ever since I got the timing chain replaced. I’ll give everything a look over tomorrow morning .
I’ll see if I can tomorrow but would skipped timing cause my idle issue ? I have no other driving issues it’s just the horrible idle below 1k
Not necessarily skipped, just slightly out and not enough to trigger cam position sensors. To be honest there are so many causes of rough idle it is hard to tell from foums what to tell you, I just guess that if it started after timing chain replacement, then that is where to start. VC off and recheck timing, it is so easy to move a cam when tightening up the end bolt especially with the $50 tools from Ebay for example. I had to buy the Laser tool for mine as the cheap tool was a waste of money. Perhaps you could ask for a loan of one on here if you need it if someone is loca if you did the chain yourself with one of those toolsl? If you paid a garage to do the work ask them to check their work.
Take your oil fill cap off while the car is running. Does it have vacuum holding it down and or does the idle get worse? It could be timing related or a vacuum leak. If your pcv is toast it can cause the symptoms your describing.
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Im not definitely stating that this is your problem, as mentioned, there lots of causes for rough idle.
check your timing since that was done recently. Check the back left area of your valve cover for oil seep on top, try the oil cap, and sometimes there’s an audible leak there too. Also check the high pressure fuel pump, this is a known issue as well.
Ok, your p2188 code is for too rich at idle, and the 01497 I believe is an unmetered air leak.
While I agree with GsxR1000 that the HPFP absolutely can cause the same symptoms, unfortunately there are several.
But, with the codes you are showing (I don’t know about the third one) leads me to think you probably have a bad PCV. Check that with the cap test and listen while it’s running for any hissing or sound of air escaping, it could even be a whistle. Also check the hose that goes from the PCV to the intake, that is known to fail too. If that doesn’t look like it, check your turbo charge pipes to make sure they are tight and not leaking.
That said, I’m not sure without monitoring mine, since I just don’t remember where my fuel rail pressure normally sits at idle. But when driving, iirc it’s usually somewhere between 1400 and 1800 psi. Just my gut feeling is that your fuel psi may be a tad low, but somebody else should probably chime in on that.
keep us informed and good luck.
While I agree with GsxR1000 that the HPFP absolutely can cause the same symptoms, unfortunately there are several.
But, with the codes you are showing (I don’t know about the third one) leads me to think you probably have a bad PCV. Check that with the cap test and listen while it’s running for any hissing or sound of air escaping, it could even be a whistle. Also check the hose that goes from the PCV to the intake, that is known to fail too. If that doesn’t look like it, check your turbo charge pipes to make sure they are tight and not leaking.
That said, I’m not sure without monitoring mine, since I just don’t remember where my fuel rail pressure normally sits at idle. But when driving, iirc it’s usually somewhere between 1400 and 1800 psi. Just my gut feeling is that your fuel psi may be a tad low, but somebody else should probably chime in on that.
keep us informed and good luck.
Ok, your p2188 code is for too rich at idle, and the 01497 I believe is an unmetered air leak.
While I agree with GsxR1000 that the HPFP absolutely can cause the same symptoms, unfortunately there are several.
But, with the codes you are showing (I don’t know about the third one) leads me to think you probably have a bad PCV. Check that with the cap test and listen while it’s running for any hissing or sound of air escaping, it could even be a whistle. Also check the hose that goes from the PCV to the intake, that is known to fail too. If that doesn’t look like it, check your turbo charge pipes to make sure they are tight and not leaking.
That said, I’m not sure without monitoring mine, since I just don’t remember where my fuel rail pressure normally sits at idle. But when driving, iirc it’s usually somewhere between 1400 and 1800 psi. Just my gut feeling is that your fuel psi may be a tad low, but somebody else should probably chime in on that.
keep us informed and good luck.
While I agree with GsxR1000 that the HPFP absolutely can cause the same symptoms, unfortunately there are several.
But, with the codes you are showing (I don’t know about the third one) leads me to think you probably have a bad PCV. Check that with the cap test and listen while it’s running for any hissing or sound of air escaping, it could even be a whistle. Also check the hose that goes from the PCV to the intake, that is known to fail too. If that doesn’t look like it, check your turbo charge pipes to make sure they are tight and not leaking.
That said, I’m not sure without monitoring mine, since I just don’t remember where my fuel rail pressure normally sits at idle. But when driving, iirc it’s usually somewhere between 1400 and 1800 psi. Just my gut feeling is that your fuel psi may be a tad low, but somebody else should probably chime in on that.
keep us informed and good luck.
Last edited by Brainpp; Dec 2, 2018 at 06:20 PM.
So here’s where I’m at 103.0 psi before cranking engine
744 psi jumping up and down sometimes to 640
give it the beans Highest like 1900
then idles at 1092 psi
I’m thinking it may be it because of the dip in psi at idle and also the idle after stepping on it anyone with knowledge on this please chime in I just refreshed the ignition system I’m so tired of this 😑.
744 psi jumping up and down sometimes to 640
give it the beans Highest like 1900
then idles at 1092 psi
I’m thinking it may be it because of the dip in psi at idle and also the idle after stepping on it anyone with knowledge on this please chime in I just refreshed the ignition system I’m so tired of this 😑.
Ok, well your PCV is probably fine. Unfortunately it sounds likely then that it may be the HPFP. Especially if the psi is bouncing around that much. I don’t see the year posted here, but they did extend the warranty on them. Unfortunately being an N14, you might have to pay for it. But it’s worth checking into.
Even if it’s not covered, I have seen some pretty good prices on Amazon for them.
Even if it’s not covered, I have seen some pretty good prices on Amazon for them.
Last edited by MrGrumpy; Dec 2, 2018 at 06:44 PM. Reason: Spelling corrections & added to
How much have you driven it? Did you reset the adaptations? I’m just spitballing here, but with the way that we have a “learning “ ECU, sometimes you have to drive it a bit for the computer to adjust to a new part. Sounds crazy but it’s true. Not for everything obviously, but for ECU controlled components it does adapt. You can try putting a few miles on it, and/or reset the adaptations.
Its just a thought, I could be way off base with the fuel pump and ECU, but maybe someone else can chime in on it.
Its just a thought, I could be way off base with the fuel pump and ECU, but maybe someone else can chime in on it.
Update .So I took it to a shop and they weren’t able to find anything initially because I told them new plugs and coil packs that I recently got installed there like less than 10k miles ago but my question that I have is the ground wire on the valve cover was bad I’m thinking maybe it took my coils out prematurely is this possible ? The cars scheduled to be serviced Saturday
I suppose it’s possible. I had a similar issue one time. I had just put new plug in less then about 6K miles before. I was having a terrible idle situation also. I could not figure it out. After eventually giving up, I took it to a shop and they eventually figured out that one of the plugs was bad. I was really surprised because they were pretty much brand new, but they said that occasionally you get one that may have a bad or faulty electrode or whatever. So really, it could eye well be something you had assytjat you eliminated.
good luck, I’m following along with my fingers crossed!
good luck, I’m following along with my fingers crossed!
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