Go Back  North American Motoring > 1st Generation MINIs > Stock Problems/Issues
R52 Engine cranks, will not start.  Any common culprits? >

R52 Engine cranks, will not start. Any common culprits?

Stock Problems/Issues Discussions related to warranty related issues and repairs, or other problems with the OEM parts and software for MINI Cooper (R50), Cabrio (R52), and Cooper S (R53) MINIs.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

R52 Engine cranks, will not start. Any common culprits?

  #1  
Old 09-29-2015, 06:31 AM
dutchhome
dutchhome is offline
1st Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
R52 Engine cranks, will not start. Any common culprits?

2005 MCS Convertible

Quick backstory:

Been running for a while with a check engine light that seems to come and go. Finally got around to changing the oil, oil filter, air filter, cabin filter, and spark plugs. One of the old spark plugs was pretty black and ugly. After this work was done the car drove so much nicer than it was.

Eventually the check engine light returned. I tried the INPA install I use for my BMWs, but it didn't seem to recognize the R52. Tracked down the latest version floating around the web and finally was able to read the error codes two nights ago - cyllinder 3 misfires detected. I cleared the code.

Yesterday morning the car wouldn't turn over - dead battery. Figured that playing around with INPA with the doors open may have drained it a bit too much, although we did start the car several times checking out the various sensors.

Charged the battery last night and now it seems to crank ok, but it doesn't want to start.

I didn't have my laptop last night to see what the car has to say for itself, but I imagine the problem has to be either fuel pump, injectors, wiring issue, spark plugs, ??. My plan is to pull the spark plugs and see what they look like and of course check the computer. Based on my situation, can anyone recommend the best sequence to run through to check the rest out? Are there any common culprits that jump out? Just bought this MCS over the summer so I'm still very much a noob on this thing.

Thanks.
 
  #2  
Old 09-29-2015, 06:34 AM
Helix13mini
Helix13mini is offline
Former Vendor
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Under your car
Posts: 3,159
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Is it cranking with absolutely no ignition at all? Did you disconnect the engine ground?
 
  #3  
Old 09-29-2015, 06:38 AM
dutchhome
dutchhome is offline
1st Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Wow, quick response.. Thanks.

No, we did not disconnect the engine ground. I can't tell by listening to it if it is igniting. Sounds like a normal crank just without the final bursting into life bit.
 
  #4  
Old 09-29-2015, 09:17 AM
PelicanParts.com's Avatar
PelicanParts.com
PelicanParts.com is online now
Vendor
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Harbor City, CA
Posts: 7,162
Received 36 Likes on 34 Posts
Good suggestion above, in this thread here they point out a few things like the ground strap from the engine mount was loose or maybe even a possible ignition switch issue. Post #26 has more info on the ignition switch, but he wasn't getting anything when turning the key. May not be your issue, but you can check it out and see if this may be helpful to you in your diagnosis.
 
__________________
Your Trusted Source For DIY and Parts
FREE SHIPPING over $99 click here
MINI Parts | DIY Help | Facebook | Twitter | Instagram | YouTube | Promos
888.280.7799 | 6am - 5pm PST
  #5  
Old 09-29-2015, 09:45 AM
quikmni
quikmni is offline
6th Gear
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Orcutt, CA
Posts: 2,486
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Probably will not help your not starting problem but for your misfires, I would check the coil terminals and spark plug wires at the coil terminals. It is common for the coil terminals to corrode. You can clean the coil terminals with wet/dry sand paper. If the spark plugs wires are badly corroded you may just need to replace them because it is hard to get them clean. If wires are OK just add some dielectric grease at the connection and reinstall.
 
  #6  
Old 09-29-2015, 10:51 AM
dutchhome
dutchhome is offline
1st Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thank you both.

I'm pretty sure the ground wire can't be the issue since it is cranking fine. I assume the starter wouldn't move at all if if the ground wasn't connected.

The coil terminals and spark plug wires tip is a good one.. This is the sort of thing I was looking for. Common known issues involved in the starting process.

Still interested in other suggestions. Any good write ups on testing fuel pump, spark plugs, injectors on the mini? Or rather any gotchas that I should be aware of?

Thanks again.
 
  #7  
Old 09-29-2015, 11:19 AM
PelicanParts.com's Avatar
PelicanParts.com
PelicanParts.com is online now
Vendor
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Harbor City, CA
Posts: 7,162
Received 36 Likes on 34 Posts
I know you charged the battery, just want to make sure all bases are covered, but be sure to test it to completely rule it out of the equation. Some info here. Here is our fuel pump DIY with some good info on signs of a bad pump in the first 2 paragraphs. This guy's issue here ended up being the pump. This NAM thread here ended up being plugs, I know you said you just replaced yours. Wires is a great suggestion if you didn't replace those at the same time as the plugs as you want to replace the spark plug wires every 30,000 miles or if they look cracked or worn out. (Plug/wire DIY here with some info). Maybe someone else will have some more information for you as well. Good luck.
 
__________________
Your Trusted Source For DIY and Parts
FREE SHIPPING over $99 click here
MINI Parts | DIY Help | Facebook | Twitter | Instagram | YouTube | Promos
888.280.7799 | 6am - 5pm PST
  #8  
Old 09-29-2015, 11:53 AM
dutchhome
dutchhome is offline
1st Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Excellent info here. Thanks a lot. I think I have plenty to look at tonight when I get home. Also ordering the spark plug wires now since I have no clue how long they've been on there and I already know there is some misfiring going on. Will update this thread when I find out what is going on.
 
  #9  
Old 09-29-2015, 12:00 PM
quikmni
quikmni is offline
6th Gear
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Orcutt, CA
Posts: 2,486
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
If getting wires, you might want to think about a new coil with copper terminals that will not corrode. Also if you were getting misfires, your plugs probably need to be replaced again. Maybe think about a whole kit such as this from WMW:
http://www.waymotorworks.com/wmw-ignition-package.html
 
  #10  
Old 09-29-2015, 12:38 PM
dutchhome
dutchhome is offline
1st Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks. I usually like to stay pretty stock, but since this is a common problem I suppose upgrading rather than replacing the coil + wires might be in order. I'm not familiar with WMW though. Is this is a quality kit? Or were you showing this as an example?
 
  #11  
Old 09-29-2015, 12:57 PM
quikmni
quikmni is offline
6th Gear
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Orcutt, CA
Posts: 2,486
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
The WMW kit is a good quality kit ($175). It is what I use on my 2006 JCW GP. Using stock wires is fine but I wanted to add a little bling with red wires (no performance difference). I use NGK plugs.

I would use a different than stock coil, such as a coil with copper terminals (Beru or Demon). I would suggest against the MSD coil because it does not fit well without different bolts that are hard to find (I previously had MSD).

Another good option and more OEM is one of the ECS Tuning ignition kit ($125):
https://www.ecstuning.com/Mini-2005-...ion/ES2581719/
Get this one with the Beru coil (copper terminals) not the kit with OEM coil.
 
  #12  
Old 09-29-2015, 01:15 PM
PelicanParts.com's Avatar
PelicanParts.com
PelicanParts.com is online now
Vendor
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Harbor City, CA
Posts: 7,162
Received 36 Likes on 34 Posts
We have kits here as well for $121 with NGK plugs, Beru (OEM supplier) coil and wires. Otherwise, Beru wires here and use promo code COOPER at check out for the wires for a 10% discount.
 
__________________
Your Trusted Source For DIY and Parts
FREE SHIPPING over $99 click here
MINI Parts | DIY Help | Facebook | Twitter | Instagram | YouTube | Promos
888.280.7799 | 6am - 5pm PST
  #13  
Old 09-29-2015, 01:29 PM
quikmni
quikmni is offline
6th Gear
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Orcutt, CA
Posts: 2,486
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Pelican, thanks for also posting this great option.
I should have looked in more detail at your website to find the details on the brands in the kit so I could have included the option along with WMW and ECS.
 
  #14  
Old 09-29-2015, 01:45 PM
PelicanParts.com's Avatar
PelicanParts.com
PelicanParts.com is online now
Vendor
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Harbor City, CA
Posts: 7,162
Received 36 Likes on 34 Posts
Originally Posted by quikmni View Post
Pelican, thanks for also posting this great option.
I should have looked in more detail at your website to find the details on the brands in the kit so I could have included the option along with WMW and ECS.
You're very welcome! Both are great supporting vendors of this forum as well.
 
__________________
Your Trusted Source For DIY and Parts
FREE SHIPPING over $99 click here
MINI Parts | DIY Help | Facebook | Twitter | Instagram | YouTube | Promos
888.280.7799 | 6am - 5pm PST
  #15  
Old 09-29-2015, 01:48 PM
ECSTuning's Avatar
ECSTuning
ECSTuning is online now
Platinum Sponsor
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Wadsworth,OH
Posts: 27,670
Received 549 Likes on 529 Posts
Originally Posted by quikmni View Post
The WMW kit is a good quality kit ($175). It is what I use on my 2006 JCW GP. Using stock wires is fine but I wanted to add a little bling with red wires (no performance difference). I use NGK plugs.

I would use a different than stock coil, such as a coil with copper terminals (Beru or Demon). I would suggest against the MSD coil because it does not fit well without different bolts that are hard to find (I previously had MSD).

Another good option and more OEM is one of the ECS Tuning ignition kit ($125):
https://www.ecstuning.com/Mini-2005-...ion/ES2581719/
Get this one with the Beru coil (copper terminals) not the kit with OEM coil.
Thanks for the mention. Most coils don't have anymore power , they are rated the same except for a few, big thing is to put the dielectical grease on the post so they will not corrode down the road. Its a typical thing on the exposed metal coil posts.


If you need anything let me know.
 
__________________

Have MINI questions? Need MINI answers? Live Chat us! 8:30am to 12:00am Midnight EST
[email protected] | [email protected] | INSTAGRAM | FACEBOOK
Customer Service Hours: 8:00 AM to 8:00 PM EST|Sales Team Hours: 8:00 AM to 11:00 PM | Saturday 10AM to 7PM EST 800.924.5172
  #16  
Old 09-30-2015, 07:17 AM
dutchhome
dutchhome is offline
1st Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thank you all for your help. I can happily report that the MINI lives again

The coil pack was definitely looking pretty ugly. Every one of the tips were covered in some corrosion and a couple of the wires looked bad too. I ended up ordering the WMW kit quikmni recommended and should have it this weekend for a quick replacement.

The problem that caught me dead in my tracks turned out to be the immobilizer. I suppose I should do some research on it since I don't quite understand how it works. I do know that once I reset the Immobilizer seed in INPA, the engine started up fine. Could the drained battery have caused it to lock me out? Or must I have done something bad to make it happen?

BTW, I did clean up the coil pack tips with a wire brush just to get them looking better for now and it really made a big difference. Originally the car seemed to act like the clutch was slipping, but it was probably a combination of the misfiring and the supercharger trying to make up for the loss of power. After seeing what a clutch replacement looks like on these cars I'm very happy that wasn't the problem.
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
09R56
R56 :: Hatch Talk (2007+)
12
10-06-2016 05:45 PM
ECSTuning
Vendor Announcements
0
08-19-2015 12:51 PM
ECSTuning
Vendor Classifieds
0
08-19-2015 12:21 PM
ECSTuning
Drivetrain Products
0
08-19-2015 12:03 PM
Shen456
R52 :: Cabrio Talk (2005-2008)
1
08-17-2015 04:43 PM


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: R52 Engine cranks, will not start. Any common culprits?


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

© 2019 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.